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The manufacturers may or may not tell you what the loads are.  They probably
will not tell you.  

Call the fire officials for the municipality that are in charge of
purchasing fire fighting equipment.  They can get you the information.

Harold Sprague
The Neenan Company

-----Original Message-----
From: rnester(--nospam--at) [mailto:rnester(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 1:06 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: bridge with fire-truck loading

Apparently, the manufacturers of fire equipment feel no obligation to
maintain loads within AASHTO standards.  Many of the fire trucks and
other fire equipment have both axle loads and outrigger loads which will
exceed the HS20 loads.  Best to get this data directly from the
manufacturers and compare to the equipment used in the locality of
concern.  Be sure to get the total loads with the equipment "fully
outfitted" and loaded with fuel, water, etc.   If these weren't emergency
vehicles, many would have to get overload permits every time they roll
out of the house.

Russ Nester

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:33:32 -0600 "Bill Polhemus" <polhemus(--nospam--at)>
>Can someone please explain why the AASHTO standard loadings (either 
>HS-XX or
>HL-93) would not be appropriate in this case?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jannett(--nospam--at) [mailto:jannett(--nospam--at)]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 6:59 AM
>> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
>> Subject: Re: bridge with fire-truck loading
>> The state should have typical, idealized vehicles for use in
>> your bridge
>> design.  Due to the wide variety of possible truck configurations, 
>> idealized trucks are usually based upon somewhat conservative
>> combination
>> of axle loads & wheel bases that are hoped to envelop the
>> allowable truck
>> configurations.   Garbage trucks can also be a critical
>> loading due to the
>> short wheel base, especially as the bridge gets longer and
>> more trucks can
>> fit on it.
>> The AASHTO design guide also has some information on bridge
>> loadings, load
>> distributions, load combinations, etc.
>> MRodrig273(--nospam--at) on 11/17/98 10:42:42 PM
>> Please respond to seaint(--nospam--at)
>> To:   seaint(--nospam--at)
>> cc:    (bcc: James H Annett)
>> Subject:  bridge with fire-truck loading
>> I am currently in the process of designing a bridge. It has
>> to be designed
>> to
>> allow fire-trucks to go over it.  Where can I find loads for
>> firetrucks and
>> what does everyone else use.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Sincerely,
>> Mr. Marlou B. Rodriguez
>> Engineer
>> Robert Englekirk Inc. (REI)
>> Englekirk and Sabol  (ESI)
>> 1130 North Nimitz Hwy #A215
>> Honolulu, HI 96817-4579
>> Note:  The comments that I write,
>> are my own opinions and are not
>> necessarily the opinions of REI or ESI
>> -------------------------------------------------------