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Thanks Barry and you keep up the good work with Paul. I got an email from
him and he feels real comfortable with you. This is good, since Paul is a
real perfectionist. I think once you get to know him you will appreciate his
understanding of structures. He studied architecture at Harvard, but does
not tell too many people this. Like me, he never finished his formal
education, but has a life time of history in the building industry with his
family on the east coast.
I'm sure there will be other projects with Paul that we may be able to team
up on. If not, you have my blessings to keep working with him.

Happy Thanksgiving and thanks for the vote of confidence.


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry H. Welliver [mailto:wellive(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:00 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: INTERNET: Mailing Lists

Keep on sayin what your sayin Dennis.
Great job of bringing this back into focus.

Barry H. Welliver.

"Dennis S. Wish PE" wrote:

> I have one last comment then I'm gone from this thread.
> Polhemus missed this in all of his posts. SEAint IS an information
> collecting services. Threads related to structural topics are archived for
> retrieval by those who may need the information when faced with a similar
> problem.
> The more information we collect, the greater then chance that any member
> needs the help will find it in one easy location.
> Polhemus is interested in the social aspects of the list and this is fine.
> save content relevant to the work I do so that when I am faced with a
> dilemma, I review the opinions of my peers and decide on the appropriate
> course of action.
> Regardless of who believes this to be an important service or who believes
> who should lead in the development of this medium the fact remains that
> SEAint was the first to put up the dollars, purchase the server, establish
> this list for the last four to six years and not ask anything in return
> those who subscribe. The fact that the server and the sponsorship for
> belongs to Structural Engineers Association of Southern California with
> support of SEA of California indicates that one of the most influential
> professional organizations has identified the need to pull other
> organizations together, virtually, for the purpose of solving problems
> without the duplication of effort.
> Still, the SEAint List which appears to be more of a social club to some -
> is in fact the most successful virtual peer help system established today.
> Finally, if not for the SEAint List - Polhemus and others would not have
> opportunity to seek subscribers with common interest on the Internet and
> invite them to his list.
> This is not gloating, this is simply fact.
> Personally, I am similar to Polhemus in that I am not normally a joiner -
> nor have I ever been accused of being a company man. The fact is that a
> people in SEAoSC had the vision to see where this trend was going and
> decided, over the many obstacles , to make this a reality. I am pleased to
> be one of the founders of this - as is Shafat Qazi who's knowledge of the
> Internet, hardware and programming made our dreams a reality.
> This would also not have been possible without the support of the SEAoSC
> SEAOC Computer Applications Committee member - including Bruce Bates, Mark
> Deardorff, Steven Fisher, Jerry Murdock, Dennis McCroskey, James Lord,
> St Amond (sorry if I spell this wrong), Larry Mackey, Joseph Horouni, Ken
> O'Dell and others I am sure I have missed. These are the core people who
> volunteered their efforts to make the List, Web and SEA Online (for six
> years) a reality. These are the individuals who deserve credit and who
> worked silently in the background with no other expectation than to make
> this real. The same individuals who went to the SEAOSC and SEAOC board of
> directors and opened their eyes to the possibilities. These are the same
> individuals who continue to develop the transports that the structural
> engineering professionals need to evolve into the next millennium.
> We do not wish to stagnate the Listservice. The majority of members of
> (including each chapter) understand that what we created is a very
> tool to the future of our profession yet is in the infancy stage.  As the
> adoption of the IBC becomes a reality, even SEAOT will need to be involved
> in the creation of codes they expect to enforce.
> We realized that there was a need to reduce expenditures caused by
> cost of Committee meetings - especially on a national level. We have also
> reached out to engineers who were geographically challenged by distance
> their peer. Those who needed advice and had no other engineers close
> could simply post a question and get a dozen answers. This happened to be
> selfish expectation as I moved 150 miles away from Los Angeles and did not
> want to lose my connection with SEAOSC or ability to seek help with
> I faced in private practice.
> In closing, I apologize if it sounds like I am overly passionate on this
> issue. Many of us continue to devote our time and energy for what we
> perceive as the development of the tools that our profession needs to do
> productive work.
> Thanksgiving, is a time in which we should stop and remember those in the
> background and who we seem to be taking for granted.
>  I object to subscribers denigrating SEAint in spite of all the work that
> SEAint has accomplished over the last few years.
> I suggest you go to the middle of this letter and review those names I've
> posted - these are the devoted "joiners" who cared enough to make this
> Listservice possible. They have worked in the background and have for over
> six years remained anonymous. Other than Shafat and I, these are the
> backbone that help make these "tools" a reality for over 12,000
> professionals around the world. This is a good time (in the U.S. our
> Thanksgiving Day) to remember them.
> Respectfully,
> Dennis S. Wish PE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray A. Pixley [mailto:rpixley(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:24 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: INTERNET: Mailing Lists
> Bill
> >I am not suggesting that I or anyone else "abandon" the SEAINT listserv.
> >However, I think there may be sufficient interest (guaging from the
> response
> >I've received thus far) for Texas Structural Engineers to have their own
> If I may suggest:
> Have regional listservers.  But have also a combined listserver available.
> This can be done by having the combined listserver subscribe to the
> regional listservers.
> In addition, noone should be able to post to the combined list servers
> directly.  Replys should be magically directed to the thread's originating
> regional listserver.