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Thanks Joe! That is exactly the type of insight I was looking for. I know that
information will be helpful to all of us.


Jim Kestner, P.E.
Green Bay, Wi

Joe & Jeannie Ferguson wrote:

> Jim Kestner wrote:
> > Here is a question that I hope might generate some discussion........
> >
> > Have any of you ever wondered if a diaphragm can work without having a
> > specific edge member, etc. assumed to resist the calculated chord force.
> > Can a portion of the diaphragm along the edge actually work as the
> > "chord"? It obviously has to be fastened together to resist those
> > forces.
> >
> > This is similar to a large steel plate or concrete wall working as a
> > shear panel  with no edge members. The bending stresses are simply
> > resisted by the deep rectangular section with a  triangular stress
> > distribution which is maximum at the edge (assuming deep member theory
> > does not control).
> >
> > I could see this not working for fluted metal deck in one direction
> > where the tensile chord forces would tend to open up the flutes.
> >
> > To talk in practical terms, let's say we have a building with steel
> > joists, metal deck and load bearing masonry walls. The joists span to
> > the long walls (span parallel to the short walls).
> > The bond beams and the reinforcing are cut at each masonry control joint
> > (so that it cannot act as a chord). How does the building work to
> > transfer the lateral forces. I believe the deck works as the chord
> > parallel to the long wall. The first joist in from the short wall
> > (parallel to the short wall) probably works as the chord  in the other
> > direction.
> >
> > I have never tried this but, I know there are buildings out there like
> > this that were never detailed properly but nevertheless still work.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Jim Kestner, P.E.
> > Green Bay, Wi
> >
> > I did some diaphragm test on 26 ga. ribbed panel in the sixties and tested
> > both conditions.  The edge (parallel to the flutes) without an angle or
> > other support showed considerable deformation which was generally
> > unacceptable for general service.  It only took a very small member
> > (usually a L 3 x 3 x 12ga) attached at the edge to keep the diaphragm edge
> > from deforming and not too surprising we got about a 50 to 75% increase in
> > ultimate strength.  The edge perpendicular to the flutes should always be
> > attached to the supporting member which serves as the chord member.  I
> > recommend that you provide a chord member for all of your designs rather
> > than depend on joist manufacturers to design the top chord for axial
> > forces and who knows what the erector will do it when it goes to the job
> > site.  if you have masonry walls, it is convienient to attach a mill angle
> > to embeds on the perimeter of the roof at 40 to 48 inches OC to double as
> > chord angle and to transfer the forces to your shear walls.