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RE: Stamping Calculations

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Are we still professionals if we need someone to always check our work?
I mean to say, perhaps the problem is not enough time (read money) to do
a proper job. Do doctors or attorneys need their work independently
checked before they can do their thing?. Should they? Typically no, they
are considered professionals and as such, they are trusted to practice
their profession with the judgement and skill they supposedly are proven
to have (by education and exam). Are mistakes in structural engineering
more critical than a physician in surgery? In some ways I would say yes.
But really, if we (structural engineers) cannot be trusted to
competently design structures without needing some else to perform a
complete review of all that we did, I wonder if being a S.E. (or a P.E.
for that matter) really means anything, or if structural engineering is
really a "practice" Just a thought. What do you guys think?

 Monte Griffiths, S.E.
> ----------
> From: 	Bill Sherman[SMTP:SHERMANWC(--nospam--at)]
> Reply To: 	seaint(--nospam--at)
> Sent: 	Monday, February 01, 1999 8:05 AM
> To: 	seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: 	Re: Stamping Calculations
> Jim Price wrote: 
> >At that point, the actual Plan Checker came to the counter and said,
> "Oh, I 
> saw those plans were by you, so I just stamped them.  You do good
> work."  I 
> was quick to explain that working alone, I need the plan checker to
> review
> my 
> work.  I might have missed something! < 
> As others have pointed out, the "Plan Checker" should not be relied
> upon to 
> fully check your design - they are mainly concerned with conformance
> with
> code 
> requirements.  But this raises one of my "pet peeves" with the current
> state 
> of structural engineering.  Shouldn't independent checking of
> structural 
> design be required for all structural work?  I've mainly worked on
> large 
> projects and for companies which do regular design checking as a
> matter of 
> policy.  But I have rarely found an original design which didn't have
> errors
> - 
> either in assumptions, approach, or mathematical errors.  And I have
> reviewed 
> submittals of "deferred designs" which were left up to the contractor
> - 
> unchecked calculations were submitted and we frequently found errors
> in
> those 
> calculations.  Some errors have minor impacts on final results but
> other 
> errors are significant to the results.  I have concluded that all
> structural 
> designs warrant checking by a qualified individual other than the
> preparer - 
> not necessarily a PE, but someone with an engineering degree and
> experience.