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These replys are great, however, they represent the way I did this type of
connection on my last project. I framed out from the face of the beam and
used straps both above and below the beam  (from 2x4 to 2x4 at the roof and
soffit framing) to control the uplift. The problem is that this is not a
rigid conection and I woud expect, over time, that a crack in the stucco
finish would develop at the connection of 2x4 to the face of the beam.  This
is why I wanted to create a more rigid top 2x4 cantilever. I could control
the cracking and be able to hang the soffit joists from the cantilever.

Any other suggestions?


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:strusup(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:31 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: Cantilevers through a solid beam

Simpson makes joist hangars for uplift in tandem with a strap over the top.
The 2X4 would be two pieces but it would avoid having to go through and
would reinforce the ends for compression parallel to the grain.  As with
split rings,  the key question then is end distance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marshall <elmarshall(--nospam--at)>
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)' <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Cantilevers through a solid beam


If I understand your proposed framing correctly, the compression from the
parallam acting on the 2x4 in the notch will be acting perpendicular to the
grain of the 2x4.  This might be a problem.  Consider using a flat steel
strap tie over the top of the parallam instead of notching it to provide
flexural continuity.

Ed Marshall, PE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis S. Wish PE [SMTP:wish(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:40 PM
> To: SEA International List
> Subject: Cantilevers through a solid beam
> I have a design problem where I need to build out the face of a patio from
> the supporting beams by 16" - and add a parapet above this. The problem is
> that the total depth of the beam and roof framing is limited to 16 inches
> - which happens to be the size of the Parallam required for a 24'-0" span.
> The back-span of the rafters is less than 15 feet and the cantilever is
> suppose to be, as I mentioned, 16 inches.
> An idea came to me that I wanted to run by this group.
> I need to extend at least a 2x4" member over the beam - which is not
> possible because of the restricted depth. Since this is the compression
> side of the beam, I thought that I might be able to notch out the 2x4 in
> the top side of the Parallam (3.5" depth) and extend the 2x4's through the
> beam. When loaded, the beam will be in compression and the bottom of the
> rafter is above the neutral axis so that it remains in compression.
> I can strap this to compensate for a possible uplift by wind or seismic
> that might place the upper side of the beam in tension.
> Any thoughts on this?
> Any better suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Dennis Wish PE