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I have not been actively involved in the list since the middle of December
because of a heavy work load and some personal problems. As those who are
keeping this thread active might know, I have always taken a stand that our
conventional framing provisions are being abused by those non-professionals
who tend to profit the most.

I am picking up upon the thread somewhere in the middle but like the idea of
educating the public - although this has been a tough call without
appropriate financial and political support from the professional
organizations that we belong.

However, here is a fairly simple idea that only requires some personal time
from those interested in making the public aware of their choices. I believe
that I can negotiate with SEAoSC to provide a web site for this purpose. The
work requires that those of us interested in making this a reality create
the site and post it on the SEAint server.

Creating the site is not difficult, but a dialog between interested parties
should conclude what information is important to post and this should be
based upon supportive fact rather than professional speculation. The site
might contain photo's of various types of damage attributed to less than
engineered solutions.

Potential buyers of new homes should be advised to hire an engineer to
review the design drawings of the home they wish to purchase and to evaluate
the expected performance compared to an engineered solution.

Of course there is much more to consider, but if you are really interested
in making this a reality all it will take is time and effort on your parts.

Let me know and I'll seek the approval of SEAoSC in allocating the space
required (and possibly consider taking a position which would be based upon
their existing performance engineered solutions).

Dennis S. Wish PE

PS: I am going to unsubscribe from this list and resubscribe under a new
email address. Those interested in writing me directly can reach me at

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry H. Welliver [mailto:wellive(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 6:32 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: History of Conventional wood framing-update-another reply

I'm not sure what you mean by "sound bite (byte?) program". There appear to
many tools for moving educational information out of one realm and into
Printed information is probably the most pervasive, however I agree that
speaking and comments are the things that spark a fire.

I for one, see such tools as webs sites, brochures, and other well conceived
documents as important allies in establishing platforms for comments to the
public. Let's face it, one on one "confrontations" don't always go
swimmingly and
happen far too infrequently and affect only a limited realm of people.
we need to devote more attention to refining thoughts like why we might feel
the conventional construction provisions of the building code are bending
product to a buyer beware state of affairs. I say this because if we can
ourselves on these concepts, then we can look to our state organizations to
"voice" and support our positions. If not, then we're just having a friendly
conversation about the weather (can talk about it, can't do anything about

Let's here what you'd propose.

Barry H. Welliver

Cmajose(--nospam--at) wrote:

> Monte Griffiths, S.E.  brings up good points regarding educating the
> Cynicism aside, I feel that there needs to be an effort on engineer's part
> get the message across.  If the message is tailored to the audience, at
> some part of the message will be received.  Since the customary venues for
> educating the public are mass media at "sound bite lengths" it will take a
> considerable time to get much education delivered and understood by the
> recipients.
> Is there a group out there interested in creating a sound bite program and
> putting together a delivery system?
> Jim Fruit, AIA
> (an architect with first professional education in engineering)