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RE: Should Structural Engineering be Separted from Civil Engineering

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I have been considering responding to Mr. Ketchum's suggestion for
separating Structural Engineering from Civil Engineering, until I read your
response.  Well said!

Brian K. Smith, P.E.

> Structural Engineering should not, in my opinion, be further
> separated from
> the practice of civil engineering as it exits today. For a person
> to become
> a licensed engineer in the discipline of civil engineereing
> he/she must take
> the NCEE exams or special exams (e.g. California Seismic/Survey) to
> demonstrate a wide range of knowledge in the field to include structural
> engineering.  In fact, the majority of the problems on the civil exam are
> structural.  Currently many states allow engineers to take the 2 part NCEE
> structural exam to become specifically licensed in the branch of
> structural
> engineering vs. civil.  This may be one method for encouraging the idea of
> specialization and designating certain structure types as requiring the
> stamp of a licensed SE.  I disagree with the statement that structural
> engineers and civil engineers have little in common.  All civil
> engineering
> university programs require courses in structures/hydraulics etc. which
> would be the basis for further study/specialization once the
> engineer began
> practicing.  The practice of civil engineering requires a broad range of
> knowledge in many areas (environmental, transportation, structures,
> surveying, etc) which affect the built environment.  Similar to an
> architect, (but with greater technical knowledge) who should have
> a general
> knowledge of all components of buildings (mechanical, electrical,
> landscaping, structures, etc.), a civil engineer has a general
> knowledge of
> many aspects of the built environment, and can choose to specialize in a
> certain area once entering the work force.  The idea of restricting civil
> engineers from practicing in the area of structural design of buildings,
> foundations and/or bridges is not reasonable given the current state of
> educational and licensing programs in the profession.  Should a
> "structural
> engineer" be limited in his/her practice to that particular area and
> prohibited from intruding into the areas of architectural design
> and layout
> of roadway cross sections (e.g. all bridges, dams, arenas, etc,
> will be laid
> out by architects and have designs validated by structural engineers)?  I
> suggest that the present licensing system be broadened into all
> 50 states to
> include the disciplines of civil and structural engineering as separate
> branch specializations, but give individual states the option of
> restricting
> the engineering of certain structure types to either civil or structural
> engineers as they deem appropriate (e.g. California - only schools &
> hospitals need structural - civil can do all else).
>
> Joseph Baltar P.E. (civil)/Architect
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Milo Ketchum [SMTP:mketchum(--nospam--at)inet-access.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, March 02, 1999 05:19
> > To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject:	Should Structural Engineering be Separted from Civil
> > Engineering
> >
> > Structural Engineering Should Be Separated From Civil Engineering
> >
> > If structural engineering is ever to be a real profession with the
> > highest standards, it must
> > have control of it own destiny. Structural engineers and civil engineers
> > have little in
> > common. Environmental engineers have already proclaimed their separate
> > identities
> > because most departments are now civil and environmental engineering.
> > The present
> > courses of study leaves out much that the structural engineer badly
> > needs, for example he
> > should have some knowledge of architecture, he is a graphical
> > illiterate. Undergraduates
> > should have continuous contact with design professionals, and not just
> > PhD's as they are
> > now.  The only way to get any change is for the National Association and
> > the state
> > associations to take the lead, and  members be directed to this goal.
> >
> > The latest suggestion is to make the Master's Degree the starting
> > degree.  I do not think
> > this is in any way a cure or a solution of our problems, and many see to
> > agree.
> >
> > This problem needs a lot of discussion
> >
> > Milo Ketchum
> >
> > mketchum(--nospam--at)inet-access.com
> >
> > http://home.inet-access.com/mketchum
> >
> >
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