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RE: Should Structural Engineering be Separated from Civil Enginee ring

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I went through a civil program.  I am glad I did.  It gave me a good breadth
of the entire civil engineering field.  I have since worked under structural
engineers and have gone to numerous seminars and read a great deal.  A civil
engineering program still allows you to specialize in structural.  I have a
greater knowledge about the soils that are supporting my structures and
pressing in on my foundation walls.  And I understand what the other [civil]
engineers are doing and why.  ASCE has been raising the issue of a
professional degree much like that of a doctor or a lawyer.  This might
require you to have a Masters in Structural Engineering.  Following an
acceptable Bachelors degree.  We would greatly limit the number of
structural engineering candidates if they had to decide when they were 17
years old that they will be a structural engineer.  This is something that
is decided later as they learn more about the various disciplines.
Structural engineers command a good deal of respect due to the work we do
the responsibility that we have over that work.  This is more important than
the school and program that we attended.  Never Stop Learning!
Bruce C. Trobridge PE
Assistant Building Structural Engineer
NYS - Office of General Services

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> From: 	SDGSE(--nospam--at)[SMTP:SDGSE(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: 	Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:29 AM
> To: 	seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: 	Re: Should Structural Engineering be Separted from Civil
> Engineering
> What's next? 
> Separate structural engineering from "bridge engineering"?
> How about separating concrete engineering from steel engineering or
> masonry
> engineering? Why not? They are all specialties of their own nowadays with
> the
> advanced research and oceans of information, compared to what our
> "ancestors"
> had when they designed and built some of still-today's wonders of the
> world.
> I believe civil and structural engineering go hand in hand, at least in my
> hands. I am a licensed structural engineer in California. I practice
> structural engineering with occasional small civil work. I like both
> fields as
> they involve using ones knowledge in basic engineering principles, but I
> enjoy
> structural engineering more. On some structural work, I encounter the need
> for
> civil engineering knowledge and on some civil work, structural knowledge
> come
> in handy.
> I learned all this at the "department of civil engineering" and not "the
> department of structural engineering," and I'm proud to say I had, and
> still
> have, a good understanding in almost all subjects, (except in those that
> treated sewage-Yuk, now, this can be separated from civil engineering, and
> separated very far, I must say). So, if I am doing a civil grading work
> with
> cuts and fills that need some retaining walls, I would be able to design
> the
> retaining walls and not tell my client that he/she needs to hire a
> "structural
> engineer" for that (plus, I get the fee:-), and believe me there are
> "civil
> engineers" who don't know how to design a retaining wall. How sad.
> So, do you still want to separate? Then, do it alone.
> Oshin Tosounian, S.E.
> Structural Design Group
> Van Nuys, CA