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I think this is a little ridiculous.

Chris Towne E.I.T.

-----Original Message-----
From: JAKABY(--nospam--at) <JAKABY(--nospam--at)>
To: seaint(--nospam--at) <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Dilbert's Theorem (architects vs. engineers)

>Who could resist an open invitation to snipe at a Plan Checker!  Sweet
>is at hand!  Well, let's see where should I start....hmm.  So in your
>engineering is "dry numbers".  Thats' typical coming from an architect
>creativity abounds and to hell with practicality.  Where form follows
>function... NOT!   Oh and I suppose the plan checking arena is not dry!?
>has to be one of the most boring occupations there is.  Talk about dry.
>like parched of any creativity.  As a plan checker do you design anything?
>Been out to the job site lately? I doubt it. Have you produced a drawing
>someone actually used to build something from? Can I check it?
>DRY NUMBERS!  If thats what you think engineering is you are missing the
>entire picture.  Engineers know more about the built environment than most
>architects could ever dream of.  Thats why engineers are relied upon for
>actual design. The structural components are decided upon and designed by
>engineers.  Right down to the aluminum frames of the storefront. The
>difference between architects and engineers is that engineers can actually
>back up what they design with more then concepts, textures and colors.
>the beauty of it.  As an engineer, I can look at a building design, layout
>framing, pick a system, conceptualize the lateral bracing and design it.
>engineer can determine how every component of the building/structure will
>what size, how many bolts and more importantly engineers are responsible
>the life safety protection of the occupants.
>Plan checking doesn't even come close to any form of architectural or
>engineering design.  As a plan checker your job is to check for conformance
>building code. Period.   You have no say in the configuration, looks,
>components chosen, location, concepts or anything else. Your area of
>is the building code.  As a structural engineer I have been in plan check
>situations where I have to educate the plan checker about the code.  This
>usually like talking to a brick wall.
>As for dry numbers, do you really think we as a society would be able to
>the bay or build a high-rise structure without those dry numbers?
>So. you consider yourself a hired gun working for the dastardly building
>department.  Thats nice.  As they say whatever floats your boat. Actually,
>thought you were the guys with the white hats that ride in to save the day.
>Blame it on Dilbert.  I hate to say it, but you asked for it.
>Snipefully yours,
>Tom Jakaby, SE
>(DISCLAIMER: The above opinions, conlusions and snipes are intended to be
>taken in a lighthearted way. It is not intended to alienate, offend or
>any consternation.