In a message dated 5/26/99 6:26:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< FROM: W. GENE CORLEY
Mr. Wish does not have the correct information about the Illinois S.E.
License. The requirements for examination are:
8 hours FE
16 hours SE
The PE exam does not count as any part of qualification for SE but is
required for Illinois PE.
Illinois SE is a practice act, i.e., an Illinois PE cannot do any
structural design. California SE is a title act, i.e., a California PE
can do most structural work. Only Hawaii has the same requirements as
I hope this helps. WGC >>
Sorry Gene, I was quoting the information provided by Bob Johnson, SE a
member of SEAOI and NCSEA. These were not my interpretations. No matter what
is correct the distinction is still confusing at best.
I think the distiction between "title act" and "practice act" is very
confusing to most of us. Personally, I am not clear on the distinction and
look only at the qualifications of the person who is performing the work. I
can't imagine an engineer qualified to practice structural engineering with a
CE license on low rise, non-essential structures who would not be able to
design similar structures in Illinois. I can understand the distinction if
the projects were Chicago highrise buildings, but not commercial or
residential structures in say, Sterling Illinois.
Possibly the changes we are seeing take place in a national exam will help to
clarify the distinction. It does not appear as though Illinois understands
the capabilities of California engineers either.
I received my PE (in Civil Engineering) in California although I was born and
raised right there in Skokie near your office at PCA (which I assume you
Thanks for clearing this up and I apologize for the wrong information.
In a message dated 5/23/99 5:59:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< Attention SEAINT members:
Here's a story:
I am a licensed SE in the STATE of Illinois. I took the Illinois SE exam to
obtain my registration. HOWEVER, as a structural engineer I felt it was
necessary to obtain PE registration in ILLINOIS. Several of my colleagues
only have SE licenses too!
For those of you who are not familar with ILLINOIS registration laws, I
believe Illinois is unique as it maintains a totally distinct separation of
PE and SE registration. WE have separate PE and SE registration laws and
I applied to reciprocity (Comity) for PE registration in New Jersey and had
NO problem in obtaining a PE license.
In January 1998 I applied for registration as a PE to practice structural
engineering in Indiana. Indiana does not have separate requirements for
practice of structural engineering.
I completed the necessary paperwork and had the State of Illinois send
verification of my Illinois registration.
My application for PE was denied!!!!.
You see, Indiana law requires examination in 8 hours of general
knowledge. When I took the Illinois SE exam the test included only 4
of general engineering knowledge.
Unfortunately The State of Illinois did not state in my registration records
that the 4 hour general engineering exam was waived as I had taken the eight
hour "Enginering in Training" (EIT) exam. I eventually had a hearing
before the Indiana Board where I protested the decision to refuse my
of an Indiana PE license.
It took almost ONE YEAR to get all the paper work cleared but I finally
received my Indiana PE registration as I met all of their examination
A Word of Warning for few (most likely those in Illinois with only an SE )
who may have SE registration but not PE registation.
Isn't this an example to get uniform/standard licensing, regisration laws
across the country?
Bob Johnson, SE