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I doubt that there will ever be a time when one's passion prevents that 
person from steping over the "line". It happens to us all and the best we can 
hope for is that the individual realize his mistake and makes amends for it. 
I rarely remember a Hazardous Building committee meeting angers and 
frustrations did not flair. The Kariotis/Scmidt rounds were some of the most 
The fact is that tempers will flair, we hope we are professional enough to 
keep them in check, but when it happens we need to simply move on. This does 
not exuse the action, but leave the responsiblity to resolve the issue to the 
offending party. 
With that said, we still need to develop support from the physical 
communities - those who physically participate in committee and board work - 
for virtual tools. If a forum is to be created for the discussion of issues 
it is important for those who are physically active to participate and be the 
liasons to those who are unable.
We have failed in the last few years evolving our phyical committees to make 
their information available to those who are not capable of participation 
other than by the SEAINT tools.
Should this nullify their importance in the decision making process or should 
the traditional communitity recognize the existence of those outside of their 
physical boarders and connect the links so as to make themselves accessible. 
I think this is exactly what needs to be done. This has been the goal of 
sEAINT and has been supported for seven years by SEAOSC who invested in the 
server and creation of the tools.
The problem is that we are not demanding, as members of SEA, that those who 
represent us have the skills to use the tools. One good example is the latest 
vote of new board members. I received the card with the qualifications of 
each member, yet not one mentioned Internet skills or the need to involve the 
virtual community in their work.
Is this what we want to continue or do we believe that as long as those on 
the physical side will continue to alienate the rest of the community by not 
learning to use the tools at hand?
How can we expect to establish International codes when we refuse to adopt 
the tools that allow us to work over international boarders.

I think we all see the position of those who are physically able to work on 
committees or boards. The question is when will these people understand the 
importance of the Virtual community and learn the minimal skills necessary to 
participate with them?

Dennis Wish PE

In a message dated 6/1/99 11:12:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RRanous(--nospam--at) 

 IMO, John's letter was not intended to "cut-off" or "limit" debate in
 anyway.  In fact, I see it as trying to encourage active debate on a
 serious problem.  Some may see it as a real problem, others may not.  The
 debate is healthy and important for all of us to understand the
 significance of the problem.  John provided us all with an approach to
 carry the debate into a forum where actions can be taken to address the
 situation.  Additionally, he provided his insight into the problem.
 What he was warrning all of us is that when we resort to personal attacks
 on the committees we are not doing anything helpful to further the debate
 or resolve the issue.  The thread simply degenerates into name calling and
 nothing positive is gained or learned.  Those who actively participate on
 the committees have the time and the support necessary to do the work.
 Many of us do not have the time or the support.  This listserve provides
 the avenue for or positions to be expressed and heard by the committee
 members.  As time goes on I would hope that the various committees will
 place their proposals on the list so we can all read, question, and
 understand what is being proposed.  It will give us the opportunity to
 openly debate the issues and hear what engineers in the rest of the country
 and world have to say about the issues.  Like everything else in the
 engineering profession, these advancements do not happen overnight.  They
 need to be nurtured and encouraged.
 When committee members bring issues to the list, it is important that they
 be discussed and debated in a open, non-judgemental, and professional
 manner.  If we resort to name calling because we do not like the concept,
 it will be the surest and quickest way to drive the committee members away
 from sharing their work.  I, for one, would not blame them!
 Rick Ranous