Subject: Re: Code Created Malpractice Opportunity-Rigid v.Flexible Diaphragm
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:54:04 EDT
I doubt that there will ever be a time when one's passion prevents that
person from steping over the "line". It happens to us all and the best we can
hope for is that the individual realize his mistake and makes amends for it.
I rarely remember a Hazardous Building committee meeting angers and
frustrations did not flair. The Kariotis/Scmidt rounds were some of the most
The fact is that tempers will flair, we hope we are professional enough to
keep them in check, but when it happens we need to simply move on. This does
not exuse the action, but leave the responsiblity to resolve the issue to the
With that said, we still need to develop support from the physical
communities - those who physically participate in committee and board work -
for virtual tools. If a forum is to be created for the discussion of issues
it is important for those who are physically active to participate and be the
liasons to those who are unable.
We have failed in the last few years evolving our phyical committees to make
their information available to those who are not capable of participation
other than by the SEAINT tools.
Should this nullify their importance in the decision making process or should
the traditional communitity recognize the existence of those outside of their
physical boarders and connect the links so as to make themselves accessible.
I think this is exactly what needs to be done. This has been the goal of
sEAINT and has been supported for seven years by SEAOSC who invested in the
server and creation of the tools.
The problem is that we are not demanding, as members of SEA, that those who
represent us have the skills to use the tools. One good example is the latest
vote of new board members. I received the card with the qualifications of
each member, yet not one mentioned Internet skills or the need to involve the
virtual community in their work.
Is this what we want to continue or do we believe that as long as those on
the physical side will continue to alienate the rest of the community by not
learning to use the tools at hand?
How can we expect to establish International codes when we refuse to adopt
the tools that allow us to work over international boarders.
I think we all see the position of those who are physically able to work on
committees or boards. The question is when will these people understand the
importance of the Virtual community and learn the minimal skills necessary to
participate with them?
Dennis Wish PE
In a message dated 6/1/99 11:12:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RRanous(--nospam--at)eqe.com
IMO, John's letter was not intended to "cut-off" or "limit" debate in
anyway. In fact, I see it as trying to encourage active debate on a
serious problem. Some may see it as a real problem, others may not. The
debate is healthy and important for all of us to understand the
significance of the problem. John provided us all with an approach to
carry the debate into a forum where actions can be taken to address the
situation. Additionally, he provided his insight into the problem.
What he was warrning all of us is that when we resort to personal attacks
on the committees we are not doing anything helpful to further the debate
or resolve the issue. The thread simply degenerates into name calling and
nothing positive is gained or learned. Those who actively participate on
the committees have the time and the support necessary to do the work.
Many of us do not have the time or the support. This listserve provides
the avenue for or positions to be expressed and heard by the committee
members. As time goes on I would hope that the various committees will
place their proposals on the list so we can all read, question, and
understand what is being proposed. It will give us the opportunity to
openly debate the issues and hear what engineers in the rest of the country
and world have to say about the issues. Like everything else in the
engineering profession, these advancements do not happen overnight. They
need to be nurtured and encouraged.
When committee members bring issues to the list, it is important that they
be discussed and debated in a open, non-judgemental, and professional
manner. If we resort to name calling because we do not like the concept,
it will be the surest and quickest way to drive the committee members away
from sharing their work. I, for one, would not blame them!