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Well, you could use a single bevel groove weld in combination with a
plug weld and a back gouge.  This only requires a maximum of 1/8" root
opening.  And no, the entire add-on plate would not be consumed.  There
are literally hundreds of approved weld processes, that are covered
under AWS D1.1, which set the max and min temps in the HAZ. It doesn't
matter how long the pieces are when addressing temps.   In addition, if
an approved process can not be located, it would still be cheaper to get
one approved than to refabricate the beam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chilton, Dave/ANC [mailto:DChilton(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:52 PM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: Moment Connections

How can you possibly have room to make two full penetration welds in
It would take a very thin plate that would get consumed in the process
the HAZ.  This would not meet AWS anyway.  It seems to me the best
option is
to provide cover plates with a double fillet weld to the column flange
sized to allow fillet welds to the beam flange. 

From: "Brian K. Smith" <smitheng(--nospam--at) <mailto:smitheng(--nospam--at)> >
To: <seaint(--nospam--at) <mailto:seaint(--nospam--at)> >
Subject: Moment Connections

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I currently have a project under construction in which some of the beams
were shipped short.  The beams are framed into the flange of W section
columns with a shear tab connection and full pen flange to flange welds.
The shear connection worked fine but the root opening on the
weld was about 1 1/2".  The steel fabricator proposed two options:  1)
Build-up the beam with weld metal and then make the final weld to the
flange, or 2) install a short plate matching the beam flange and use two
full pen welds.  I allowed option 2.

The contractor called today and stated that the inspector (owner
not city) showed up on site and said he was not going to approve the
connections.  I asked the contractor if the welds failed and he said
the inspector only looked at a drawing of the fix and said it would

Before I jump on this guy, I need to know, did I blow a code
The code is 94 UBC, Earthquake Zone 0, wind 70 mph.

Brian K. Smith, P.E.

Maybe I was not clear.  What I allowed was a plate the exact
dimensions of the beam flange (thickness and width), with a full pen
weld to
the beam flange and a full pen weld to the column flange.  Somewhat of a
beam flange extension if you will.

        Brian K. Smith, P.E.

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