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I would suggest that you consult with a structural engineer, specifically
practiced in masonry cladding forensics.  There are any number of possible
problems that could cause cracking in the masonry.  I think that I have seen
maybe 83.5% of the possible masonry problems.

In your area I would talk to Louis Zickel 914-693-1440.  He helped me out on
a project for the West Point Military Academy a few years ago.  I believe he
is in the New York area.

Another possibility would be Michael Schuller, Atkinson-Noland, Denver
303-444-3620.  A third suggestion would be David Nicastro of Engineering
Diagnostics in Houston 713-840-6023.

The 3 guys above have seen 97.3% of possible masonry problems.

Harold Sprague
The Neenan Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Wesley Eldred [mailto:weldred(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 1:41 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Brick veneer seperation

I apologize for taking advantage of this list as a non-engineer.  I
stumbled across reference to this forum when researching our building
problem on the web and your collective experience could help with its

An addition to our University Library was constructed in 1981.  Post
tensioned 9" floor slabs are supported by reinforced concrete columns.
Reinforced concrete beams, buttresses and shear walls were designed to
provide lateral reinforcement for our seismic zone (2).  Floors are
structurally adequate - designed for 150 lb/sf live load - although they
flex somewhat under the load of collections.  There have been no signs
of structural settling.  Structure is four story with the main entrance
at level 2 and progressive overhangs on two sides for levels three, four
and the roof.  Cracks have been evident for years in the facing brick
where the lintels at the overhangs tie into vertical walls.  During this
past year new cracks have appeared and the old cracks have opened
considerably.  Some portions of the brick appear in danger of collapse
as they seem to be separating from the support behind.  Cracks appear
mostly near corners and are mostly vertical or diagonal.  Support angles
were provided at each floor level (12') and backer rod and resilient
filler were used to create horizontal expansion joints just below the
support angles.  In several places cracks cross the horizontal expansion
joints - which puzzles me.  Vertical expansion joints are generally
spaced at 27' following the building's structural grid.  Specifications
called for ties to the structure spaced at 20" horizontally and 16"
vertically.  In some areas bricks are tied to concrete and in others to
sheathing on metal studs.

A structural engineer speculated about the flexibility that might be
inherent in this type of building while recommending further analysis of
the problem and hiring of a firm to develop repair plans.  At this point
no bricks have been removed for closer inspection of problem areas.  My
real concern is that we should understand as much as possible about why
this is happening so we can perform repairs that will stand the test of

If you have any thoughts that would be helpful, I would be most
grateful.  If the question is better posed to another list and you can
steer me towards it, I would appreciate that also.

Thank you,

Facility Mgr, UVM Libraries