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In a messaged dated 8/6/99 20:43:58 PDT Dennis Wish (Seaintonln(--nospam--at) wrote:

> <snip>
> Sometimes the best solutions are the ones we try most to avoid. This is
> understandable, but I would hope that as the Seismology committee realizes
> that there are more unknowns which do not support the objectives of Vision
> 2000, they will see that the only reasonable choice in the short term is to
> repeal the code provisions for those specific types of structures with too
> many known complexities that can not be resolved without further study.
> This is only a reasonable solution to allocate more time to better understand
> all of the implications to complex geometric shapes that do not fit into the
> tight interpretations that the code presents.
> So, with that said, I think that the "tin men" of our committee's (and women
> where applicable) may be seeking their hearts by responding to the need of
> the professional community and most important the public.
> Dennis Wish PE


I think you're on to something!  So to get to the "Code Beyond the Rainbow", where
there is no problem with the "Rigid vs Flexible residential diaphragm" dilemma; 
it takes three (3) things:

(1) It takes a BRAIN

(2) It takes HEART, and

(3) It takes COURAGE!

"You can't go the way you came.  It's best to start at the very beginning.
 Then all you do is . . . Just Follow the YELLOW BOOK CODE!" . . .

(not to be confused with the THE BLUE BOOK)

James Bela
Oregon Earthquake Awareness

> In a message dated 8/6/99 4:18:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sasquake(--nospam--at) writes:
> In a message dated 8/6/99 12:09:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Rhkratzse(--nospam--at) writes:
> << Why does this have to be a popularity contest?  Isn't it enough for just
>    one person to stand up and make a cogent argument that "The King has no
>    clothes!"? >>
> ** "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CODES" need more looking into!  We need to unravel
>     their mystery.
>  ** "There are no great men anymore, my son; only Great Committees!"
>      (from a cartoon on the wall of the USGS, Menlo Parkl, CA.)
>  ** It would be really helpful to see how the different evolutions of Codes 
>  ** have changed the design parameters for some benchmark wood buildinngs over 
>  ** the years; and gain some greater understanding of the concepts and funda-
>  ** mentals behind the numbers.

>  ** In the aftermath of the code process that gave us the fractured welded 
>  ** moment frame problem (for the supposedly most earthquake resistant 
>  ** structure known to man), and now the Rigid vs. Flexible residential 
>  ** diaphragm dilemma, I'm a little uneasy about the so-called "Performance-
>  ** Based Codes" looming on the horizon.  (The Emperor's Newest Codes!)

>  ** Wasn't it Will Rogers or Yogi Berra who said:

>  ** "It's not what we don't know that hurts us, or gets us into trouble; 
>  **  it's what we know for certain, that JUST AIN'T SO!"