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I've got to say something.  I attended four years of architecture school in
the late 70's.  That is where I got the structural "bug".  There were
several proffessors of architecture that were also professional engineers.
There was mechanics 1, mechanics 2, structures 1 (crosslisted with Civil
Engineering structures 1) and the same for structures 2 and 3.
 Structures 1 covered very basic steel, concrete and timber.
 Structures 2 was centered around steel frame analysis - multiple portal,
transverse bent, stiffness method,flexibility method, mechanism method and
moment distribution.
Structures 3 was plate and shell analysis.

Admittedly, looking back, it was the basics, differential equations was not
required and other than compact section criteria and kl/r ratio's no further
stability analysis was introduced but the architecture students there were
VERY close in comparison to their civil engineering counterparts.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aya-Welland, Ruben A. <RAyaWelland(--nospam--at)>
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)' <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: Salary Survey

> Actually, I would argue that you don't really disagree with my
> Note that I said "Generally, no."  That means for the most part they
> do the same things we can.  However, if you compare a architect JUST
>out of
> school with a civil engineer JUST out school, they will have
> skills that are rather similar.  A lot of young engineers don't
>fully grasp
> concepts of load paths and cannot intuitively pick a member size.
>Much of
> what I know now I did not learn during my undergraduate education.
>Scott --- I disagree.
>A civil engineer fresh out of graduate school will have a decent
>understanding of structural behavior and load distribution. They will have
>taken courses in advanced steel, concrete design as well as structural
>dynamics, etc.. (you get the picture).
>An architect fresh out of graduate school will have about the same or
>probably less of an understanding of structures as a civil engineer fresh
>out of undergraduate school. This would probably include courses in basic
>steel, concrete, wood design.
>An architect fresh out of undergraduate school will probably have little to
>no understanding of structures --- the most that the typical arch undergrad
>student might see in school is a very basic statics and mechanics of
>materials course --- if they're ambitious.