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FYI, my personal opinion, is that it is not the fault of governmental
agencies that we do not get the credit we deserve. It is the so called
"professional" organizations to which we pay dues to every year who are not
acting in our best interest. Compare ASCE. NSPE, SEAO(where ever), etc. with
AMA, ABA and even AIA to see what I mean.

In other words, it's our own damn fault. We shouldn't be blaming text book
authors or news anchors or even the AIA. As I have said on many occasions,
we have met the enemy and it is us. If something has to change is will have
to be us. One major problem we have collectively is that we are not very
good at promoting ourselves. Maybe we should hire (with a portion of our
dues) a PR firm, eh?



Bill Allen, S.E.
Laguna Niguel, CA

|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: Chad Grinsteiner [mailto:chadg(--nospam--at)]
|| Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 8:16 AM
|| To: seaint(--nospam--at)
|| Subject: RE: Salary Survey
|| Greetings all,
|| While I agree with Bill Allen that this thread cannot
|| produce much action
|| and/or change in society and we should pick our battles
|| effectively, I
|| thought I'd share some of  my experiences with our
|| profession's public
|| perception. It is so frequent, I now chuckle every time I hear more.
|| My girlfriend is sixth-grade science teacher. While thumbing
|| through her
|| class textbook one day, I found a section discussing
|| earthquakes. Amazingly,
|| it also discussed the damage earthquakes can cause and new
|| technology to
|| resist it. One sentence stated, "Today, architects design
|| buildings with
|| special frames to resist the forces exerted by earthquakes."
|| The book went
|| into even more detail discussing the use of isolation
|| bearings and shock
|| absorbers. For a book with such detail at a sixth-grade
|| level, I expected
|| proper credit for our profession.
|| That very same evening, I watched a show on the Discovery
|| channel (or TLC, I
|| can't remember which) about the design and construction of
|| the Empire State
|| Building. While very interesting and seemingly accurate, it
|| made repeated
|| reference to "architects who designed the structural system."
|| After the large tornado that hit the Oklahoma City area last
|| May, the local
|| AIA groups offered free home inspections to those affected.
|| A news channel
|| publicized the groups and followed them with a camera during
|| a inspection.
|| One clip showed one of the architects pushing on one home's
|| exterior brick
|| veneer to "find evidence of structural damage." Some of my
|| colleagues, while
|| doing inspections for insurance companies, told me of
|| homeowners who saw the
|| segment demand that their home be totaled because their
|| brick walls were
|| jarred loose.
|| Mr. Allen does make a point that we should start a fight
|| worth winning, but
|| I question if this may be we aren't winning more battles. I
|| say this because
|| our state legislature has become resistant to any new
|| legislation that
|| increases the power of the state liscencing board, either through
|| disciplinary actions or registration rules. I wonder if
|| lawmakers would be
|| more receptive if they (or their constituents) were more savvy of our
|| importance. Is this happening elsewhere, and is this a
|| battle we should
|| fight?
|| Thank you for your ears,
|| Chad Grinsteiner
|| Oklahoma City, Oklahoma