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Agreed.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Allen [SMTP:Bill(--nospam--at)AllenDesigns.com]
> Sent:	Friday, October 01, 1999 10:42 AM
> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject:	RE: Salary Survey
> 
> <rant>
> 
> FYI, my personal opinion, is that it is not the fault of governmental
> agencies that we do not get the credit we deserve. It is the so called
> "professional" organizations to which we pay dues to every year who are
> not
> acting in our best interest. Compare ASCE. NSPE, SEAO(where ever), etc.
> with
> AMA, ABA and even AIA to see what I mean.
> 
> In other words, it's our own damn fault. We shouldn't be blaming text book
> authors or news anchors or even the AIA. As I have said on many occasions,
> we have met the enemy and it is us. If something has to change is will
> have
> to be us. One major problem we have collectively is that we are not very
> good at promoting ourselves. Maybe we should hire (with a portion of our
> dues) a PR firm, eh?
> 
> </rant>
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill Allen, S.E.
> ALLEN DESIGNS
> Laguna Niguel, CA
> 
> 
> || -----Original Message-----
> || From: Chad Grinsteiner [mailto:chadg(--nospam--at)weainc.com]
> || Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 8:16 AM
> || To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> || Subject: RE: Salary Survey
> ||
> ||
> || Greetings all,
> ||
> || While I agree with Bill Allen that this thread cannot
> || produce much action
> || and/or change in society and we should pick our battles
> || effectively, I
> || thought I'd share some of  my experiences with our
> || profession's public
> || perception. It is so frequent, I now chuckle every time I hear more.
> ||
> || My girlfriend is sixth-grade science teacher. While thumbing
> || through her
> || class textbook one day, I found a section discussing
> || earthquakes. Amazingly,
> || it also discussed the damage earthquakes can cause and new
> || technology to
> || resist it. One sentence stated, "Today, architects design
> || buildings with
> || special frames to resist the forces exerted by earthquakes."
> || The book went
> || into even more detail discussing the use of isolation
> || bearings and shock
> || absorbers. For a book with such detail at a sixth-grade
> || level, I expected
> || proper credit for our profession.
> ||
> || That very same evening, I watched a show on the Discovery
> || channel (or TLC, I
> || can't remember which) about the design and construction of
> || the Empire State
> || Building. While very interesting and seemingly accurate, it
> || made repeated
> || reference to "architects who designed the structural system."
> ||
> || After the large tornado that hit the Oklahoma City area last
> || May, the local
> || AIA groups offered free home inspections to those affected.
> || A news channel
> || publicized the groups and followed them with a camera during
> || a inspection.
> || One clip showed one of the architects pushing on one home's
> || exterior brick
> || veneer to "find evidence of structural damage." Some of my
> || colleagues, while
> || doing inspections for insurance companies, told me of
> || homeowners who saw the
> || segment demand that their home be totaled because their
> || brick walls were
> || jarred loose.
> ||
> || Mr. Allen does make a point that we should start a fight
> || worth winning, but
> || I question if this may be we aren't winning more battles. I
> || say this because
> || our state legislature has become resistant to any new
> || legislation that
> || increases the power of the state liscencing board, either through
> || disciplinary actions or registration rules. I wonder if
> || lawmakers would be
> || more receptive if they (or their constituents) were more savvy of our
> || importance. Is this happening elsewhere, and is this a
> || battle we should
> || fight?
> ||
> || Thank you for your ears,
> ||
> || Chad Grinsteiner
> || Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
> ||
> ||
> ||
> ||
> 
>