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I afraid I was not clear.  When I said "just out of school", I should have
said "just out of school with a bachelor's degree".  I agree that someone
with a master's degree in civil that concentrated in structures will have a
much better understanding.  However, most civil programs on require 3-5
structural classes for their undergrad program.  I know from my school
(Univ. of Michigan) we had to take statics (not really a "structural
course" but a prerequsitie), solid mechanics (see statics), basic struct
analysis (trusses, moment diagrams, influence lines, moment dist, etc.),
basic design (BRIEF intro to steel, concrete, and wood design), steel
design (columns, beams, etc.), concrete design (beams, columns, one-way
slabs), and advanced analysis (energy methods, stiffness, etc.).  I know
the architectural program at Michigan requires three structures courses,
which are basically condensed versions of what I had.  The result is that
they don't necessary understand or get exposed to the theory behind much of

I have worked with several young engineers and may students in civil.  Most
don't always understand the concept of load paths.  Most don't understand
the background on many formulas in the ASD manual for steel.  Heck, there
is a TON of stuff that I don't know and usually learn something new each

I agree with a post from Bill Allen.  Experience is the real essence of a
good structural engineer.  School is very important, but when I am put 6
feet under, more than 90% of my structural knowledge will probably have
come from experience.


At 05:57 PM 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Scott --- I disagree. 
>A civil engineer fresh out of graduate school will have a decent
>understanding of structural behavior and load distribution. They will have
>taken courses in advanced steel, concrete design as well as structural
>dynamics, etc.. (you get the picture).
>An architect fresh out of graduate school will have about the same or
>probably less of an understanding of structures as a civil engineer fresh
>out of undergraduate school. This would probably include courses in basic
>steel, concrete, wood design.
>An architect fresh out of undergraduate school will probably have little to
>no understanding of structures --- the most that the typical arch undergrad
>student might see in school is a very basic statics and mechanics of
>materials course --- if they're ambitious.