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I agree 100%.  It was the general direction that my inept rambling should
have taken, but as usual I probably missed the mark.


BTW, when I learned that to practice structural engineering in CA (i.e.
stamp drawings) that I would only need to get a PE, I was suprised.  It is
interesting that Illinois requires an SE (4yrs exp., pass NCEES SE exam) to
stamp drawings (SE practice act) while California only requires PE (SE
title act) least that is my understanding.  Does make ya go "hmmm."

At 06:43 PM 9/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I was trying to stay out of this thread because I believe absolutely nothing
>positive can every come out of it. IMO, It will never translate into any
>form of concrete (pun intended) action or change in society.
>That said, to me it doesn't matter if the academic programs of architectural
>students and civil engineering students were identical. IMO, a bachelor's
>degree in civil engineering gives one the tools to proceed in a field that
>requires experience to do well. I am fairly convinced I can take a graduate
>Architectural student and have him/her pass the CA SE exam on the first pass
>(two of my three proteges passed on the first time) if they were allowed to
>sit for it. Of course, they wouldn't have a life for five years :o).
>I am amazed that, still, in California, even in seismic zone 4, someone with
>a degree in civil engineering (maybe whose specialty was not structural
>engineering) can get two years of experience (not necessarily structural
>engineering experience), can pass the EIT and PE exam and is legal to stamp
>and sign just about any structural plans in the state. If the public was
>aware of this, they would be up in arms (or should be).
>The field of architecture and the field of structural engineering are
>different and both are demanding. It is a shame that the general public is
>under the impression that the architect provides the structural engineering
>but I pretty much got over that when I realized that, on average, I make
>more than he does. He's also the first one to be called if there is a
>Ladies and gentlemen, please, lets pick our battles more effectively.
>Bill Allen, S.E.
>Laguna Niguel, CA