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- From: "Roger Davis" <rdavis(--nospam--at)sdsarch.com>
- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:29:38 -0500
I graduated from the University of Illinois with a bachelor's degree in architecture. The U of I has an option with an emphasis in structural design. I went though that program with the intent of doing structural design. It was a five year program and it did get into more depth with regards to structural engineering than the undergraduate civil program than you described. I chose to get my license as an architect partly because architects have a better image than engineers, which at least some of you have acknowledged, and the state doesn't care whether I am an architect or an engineer. I admit that there have been times that I wish I had also gotten a license as an engineer when I am talking to an engineer or to another architect. When someone asks me what kind of work I do, I tell them I am an architect, but I primarily do structural design. Roger Davis SDS Architects, Inc 205 N. Dewey Street Eau Claire, WI 54703 715-832-1605 rdavis(--nospam--at)sdsarch.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu] Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 11:57 AM To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org Subject: RE: Salary Survey I afraid I was not clear. When I said "just out of school", I should have said "just out of school with a bachelor's degree". I agree that someone with a master's degree in civil that concentrated in structures will have a much better understanding. However, most civil programs on require 3-5 structural classes for their undergrad program. I know from my school (Univ. of Michigan) we had to take statics (not really a "structural course" but a prerequsitie), solid mechanics (see statics), basic struct analysis (trusses, moment diagrams, influence lines, moment dist, etc.), basic design (BRIEF intro to steel, concrete, and wood design), steel design (columns, beams, etc.), concrete design (beams, columns, one-way slabs), and advanced analysis (energy methods, stiffness, etc.). I know the architectural program at Michigan requires three structures courses, which are basically condensed versions of what I had. The result is that they don't necessary understand or get exposed to the theory behind much of it. I have worked with several young engineers and may students in civil. Most don't always understand the concept of load paths. Most don't understand the background on many formulas in the ASD manual for steel. Heck, there is a TON of stuff that I don't know and usually learn something new each day. I agree with a post from Bill Allen. Experience is the real essence of a good structural engineer. School is very important, but when I am put 6 feet under, more than 90% of my structural knowledge will probably have come from experience. Scott At 05:57 PM 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >Scott --- I disagree. > >A civil engineer fresh out of graduate school will have a decent >understanding of structural behavior and load distribution. They will have >taken courses in advanced steel, concrete design as well as structural >dynamics, etc.. (you get the picture). > >An architect fresh out of graduate school will have about the same or >probably less of an understanding of structures as a civil engineer fresh >out of undergraduate school. This would probably include courses in basic >steel, concrete, wood design. > >An architect fresh out of undergraduate school will probably have little to >no understanding of structures --- the most that the typical arch undergrad >student might see in school is a very basic statics and mechanics of >materials course --- if they're ambitious.
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