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I agree. Professional experience will always be the real measure of an
engineer's base of knowledge.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Scott Maxwell [SMTP:smaxwell(--nospam--at)]
> Sent:	Friday, October 01, 1999 11:57 AM
> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject:	RE: Salary Survey
> I afraid I was not clear.  When I said "just out of school", I should have
> said "just out of school with a bachelor's degree".  I agree that someone
> with a master's degree in civil that concentrated in structures will have
> a
> much better understanding.  However, most civil programs on require 3-5
> structural classes for their undergrad program.  I know from my school
> (Univ. of Michigan) we had to take statics (not really a "structural
> course" but a prerequsitie), solid mechanics (see statics), basic struct
> analysis (trusses, moment diagrams, influence lines, moment dist, etc.),
> basic design (BRIEF intro to steel, concrete, and wood design), steel
> design (columns, beams, etc.), concrete design (beams, columns, one-way
> slabs), and advanced analysis (energy methods, stiffness, etc.).  I know
> the architectural program at Michigan requires three structures courses,
> which are basically condensed versions of what I had.  The result is that
> they don't necessary understand or get exposed to the theory behind much
> of
> it.
> I have worked with several young engineers and may students in civil.
> Most
> don't always understand the concept of load paths.  Most don't understand
> the background on many formulas in the ASD manual for steel.  Heck, there
> is a TON of stuff that I don't know and usually learn something new each
> day.  
> I agree with a post from Bill Allen.  Experience is the real essence of a
> good structural engineer.  School is very important, but when I am put 6
> feet under, more than 90% of my structural knowledge will probably have
> come from experience.
> Scott  
> At 05:57 PM 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Scott --- I disagree. 
> >
> >A civil engineer fresh out of graduate school will have a decent
> >understanding of structural behavior and load distribution. They will
> have
> >taken courses in advanced steel, concrete design as well as structural
> >dynamics, etc.. (you get the picture).
> >
> >An architect fresh out of graduate school will have about the same or
> >probably less of an understanding of structures as a civil engineer fresh
> >out of undergraduate school. This would probably include courses in basic
> >steel, concrete, wood design.
> >
> >An architect fresh out of undergraduate school will probably have little
> to
> >no understanding of structures --- the most that the typical arch
> undergrad
> >student might see in school is a very basic statics and mechanics of
> >materials course --- if they're ambitious.