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What REALLY bothers me is when I see a business card from an architect that

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Bill Allen, S.E.
Laguna Niguel, CA

||-----Original Message-----
||From: Cain, William [mailto:bcain(--nospam--at)]
||Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 5:04 PM
||To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
||Subject: RE: Engineering title
||When the question of titles comes up, I always remember what
||my late father
||used to say about titles: "I don't care what they call me, as
||long as they
||call me for dinner.!"  :<)
||The main reason for the engineering act restrictions on title
||use is to
||prevent the public from being deceived that someone has
||capabilities they
||don't. Whether the testing and experience required by the
||various states
||really accomplishes this is probably the subject of another
||long, boring
||Y'all have a nice weekend!
||Bill Cain, SE
||Oakland, CA
||	-----Original Message-----
||	From:	Dave Adams [SMTP:davea(--nospam--at)]
||	Sent:	Friday, October 22, 1999 16:41 PM
||	To:	'seaint(--nospam--at)'
||	Subject:	RE:  Engineering title
||	Nicole:
||	It really does depend on what state you are practicing (sp?) in.
||Some State
||	Boards may allow you to call yourself anything that you
||want to, but
||I know
||	out here in California there are specific limitations.
||Don't mean to
||be a
||	"stick-in-the-mud" and I certainly don't mean to offend or alarm
||you, if I
||	have.
||	Dave Adams
||	-----Original Message-----
||	From: Nicole Stoudt [mailto:NSTOUDT(--nospam--at)MBAKERCORP.COM]
||	Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 11:50 AM
||	To: seaint(--nospam--at)
||	Subject: Re:Concrete vs. Steel
||	To All P.E.'s out there:
||	Please accept my apology on my earlier email.  I did not realize
||that I
||	could not say I was a structural engineer, EIT, when I
||am only an
||EIT.  I
||	thought it was okay to use the term as long as one said
||EIT too, I
||did not
||	know that I am not suppose to say it at all.  I have a MS in
||	engineering, and 2 years experience, but  I always
||thought P.E. was
||the only
||	reserved title.  I am very sorry if I offended anyone.
||I did not
||intend to
||	misrepresent myself.  In case anyone is worried, I have
||NEVER and
||	never EVER sign any drawings or legal documents as
||anything other
||	Assistant Engineer.  I just thought this was an informal survey.
||Thanks for
||	pointing it out, I should not use the term loosely.  My
||question to
||	though is:  if I pass the Civil Engineering P.E. exam
||(I have been
||told that
||	they don't have a Structural Engineering exam in Pennsylvania
||anymore), and
||	I do structural engineering work, am I still not
||allowed to say I am
||	structural engineer because I passed the Civil
||Engineering P.E.exam
||	If so, I know a lot of people who are violating that rule.
||	Nicole M. Stoudt