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Ahhh, here's the rub. It's not that we are trying to protect the just word
"Engineer". It cannot be done. The term is too generic. Doctors and
Architects have done a better job about protecting those sacred titles. We
want to protect something else, like "Structural Engineer". IMO, we have a
better chance (albeit still slim) of doing that.

FWIW, with regards to nuclear engineers doing wood framed designed, wasn't
it two unemployed aerospace engineers who were held responsible for the
Kansas City Hyatt Regency walkway collapse?

FWIW2, Jimi Hendrix was a drug addict.


Bill Allen, S.E.
Laguna Niguel, CA

||-----Original Message-----
||From: Harold Sprague [mailto:harold.sprague(--nospam--at)]
||Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:07 PM
||To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
||Subject: RE: Engineering Title
||I find this whole thread interesting and incredible.  If we
||were doctors,
||all we need is the MD and you can call yourself anything you
||want.  Board
||certification in specialties is optional in most jurisdictions.  Yes a
||proctologist can list himself as a podiatrist (for those with
||tender toes).
||We should treat ourselves and be treated by our state boards as
||professionals.  As professionals, WE are the ones who need to know our
||limitations.  I frankly can't see a seasoned nuclear engineer
||doing wood
||framed residential regardless of what any state board says.
||I guess the bottom line is that physicians have a better union (AMA).
||Was Jimi Hendrix a rock and roll musician or an electric
||blues musician.
||I'll call the state board this afternoon to get a determination.
||Harold Sprague, Emperor
||The Neenan Company
||-----Original Message-----
||From: ECVAl3(--nospam--at) [mailto:ECVAl3(--nospam--at)]
||Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:25 PM
||To: seaint(--nospam--at)
||Subject: RE: Engineering Title
||You have to be careful what title you choose so you don't
||offend anybody. I
||am a licensed engineer with a civil in California and a structural in
||I graduated from college with a "Bachelor Degree in Architectural
||I mainly do structural engineering and for a time I used the title
||"Architectural Engineer" so as not to be confused with doing
||civil work
||being the title given to me on my diploma). I was rudely
||informed by the
||Architectural Licensing Board that I could not use the title
||Engineer" because I was not a licensed architect. I tried to
||explain to them
||that the word "Architectural" is an adjective and not a noun,
||the key word
||being "engineer" in this context. The board would not listen
||to reason so I
||had to change my stationary and telephone listing.
||When I got my structural license in Hawaii I thought it would
||help matters
||list my business in th yellow pages under "Structural
||Engineers" with the
||clarification that I was civil licensed in Cal. and
||structural licensed in
||Hi. This, of coarse, incurred the wrath of the California structural
||engineers because I was not licensed as structural in
||California. this time
||all I had to do is move my listing to the obscure catagory of
||I guess my point is there are a lot of bare feet out there
||and you have to
||nimble not to step on a few toes.