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What happen to Cal Poly, SLO in that list of schools? (Go Mustangs!)  Where our
specialty is structural engineering and where there is a student chapter of

Donna L. Gochenaur, PE
Colorado Springs, CO
ARCE graduate Cal Poly

William Keil wrote:

> <  Is Architect the same as Architectural Engineering?  >
> No, an Architectural Engineer is NOT a "scientific architect!"  :o)
> An Architectural Engineer is a graduate of an ABET accredited Architectural
> Engineering program such as the ones at UT-Austin, Kansas, Kansas State, and
> others especially PENN STATE (Go LIONS!).  These graduates are exposed to
> multiple engineering specialty classes as they relate to the design of
> buildings.  All classes are not watered down summary versions but are
> instructed by their respective department, i.e. Architecture classes are
> from the Architectural department, Civil Engineering classes are from the
> Civil Engineering department, etc.  Most programs offer the chance to
> specialize in Structures, Mechanical (HVAC, Plumbing, Electrical, Lighting,
> Acoustics), or Construction Management.  The following description is from
> my experience in the Penn State AE program:
> The first two years are filled with core engineering classes including
> Mathematics, Physics, Engineering Mechanics, and Architectural Studio
> classes.
> The third year students take all of the introduction classes to the various
> disciplines, structural, mechanical, and construction management, plus even
> more mathematics, engineering mechanics and architectural classes.
> The fourth year students select a specialty and take advanced classes, i.e.
> structures students will take advanced structural analysis including the
> study of classical methods, advanced steel and concrete, soils, and
> surveying.  These classes are also combined with various classes in computer
> programming and advanced architectural studio classes.
> The fifth year in structures includes the study of foundations and modern
> structural analysis.  The fifth year at Penn State involves a senior thesis
> which is a year-long study of a recently constructed building.  The student
> must present all of the existing systems, analyze them, and then redesign
> them.  All students select their own building, unlike the Cornell program
> that has 40+ students studying individual elements of one structure.  The
> end result of the Penn State AE program is a formal presentation of all
> findings to a board of professors and professional engineers that donate
> their time (so they can find the best candidate for their staff opening :o).
> Overall, focus is always on meeting deadlines whether they are established
> by professors in the classroom or the student for the senior thesis project.
> In addition, AE students acquire a respect for the other disciplines that
> are putting systems into a building.  For example, the structural engineer
> must always yield to the mechanical engineer around the mechanical rooms so
> the ductwork can leave the AHUs.  Only broad guidelines are drawn for the
> thesis assignment and the student must establish their course of study
> including how and which topics will be analyzed/redesigned.
> The degree earned is a B.A.E, a Bachelor's of Architectural Engineering.  It
> is NOT similar to a Bachelor of Science degree.  A B.S. degree only requires
> about 120 credit hours.  A Penn State B.A.E. requires about 160 credit hours
> and (in my opinion) is equivalent to any B.S. plus M.S./M.E. degree
> combination.  That is likely the intention of the accrediting board because
> the B.A.E is a unique degree.  Employers that are familiar with the Penn
> State program agree because several employers "only hire M.S. degree
> holders" and Penn State B.A.E. graduates are considered equivalent.
> I hope this clarifies what an Architectural Engineer is and if anybody works
> exclusively on building projects and has the opportunity, hire one ...
> because with a small amount of training, you will have a quality design
> engineer.
> William J. Keil, P.E.