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RE: (Titles mean something!) Paul C.

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Are we talking about "this list" or "that list", or the profession itself? I
would think "Engineer in Training, specializing in the design of structures"
would decribe the person of your paragraph just fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Crocker [mailto:PaulC(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:24 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: WHO'S WHO? (Titles mean something!)

The SEAs and ASCE have a lot of work ahead of them before this attitude will
practical in anything other than a technical/legal setting.  To use medical
doctors as an example, most members of the general public have an
(or at least a general concept) of the difference between an intern, a
and a doctor.  They do not understand the difference between an EIT, a PE,
an SE.  Unlike a medical doctor, the average person does not visit an
even once in a life time, let alone every time they catch a cold.  There are
high drama television shows about any sort of engineering;  no actors or
portraying fit, attractive engineers.  If someone in a casual setting asks
what you do, and you say that you are "an engineering in training working in
office that specializes in structural engineering and doing some tasks,
the direct supervision of a licensed structural engineer, that resemble
structural engineering but differ from it for important legal reasons, and
a little more experience will be a professional engineer again in the same
position, but a couple years after that will be a structural engineering,"
goodness, even the eyes of a technical professional would glaze over.
this individual would be way out of line and disrespectful of the system to
describe themselves as an "SE" or a "Licensed Structural Engineer", but
must be some happy medium.  This situation is not helped by the fact that
other fields of engineering do not has as clearly established title/liscense
procedure.  I have friends who are aerospace and mechanical engineers who
never have or need a license.  Even within our modern world (not needing to
back at the historical founders of the profession), there are many fine
"structural engineers" who live and practice overseas and will never have
sort of licensee because their nations do not require them.  How do the
rules of
etiquette apply to them in the casual (not legally binding or stamped and
signed) discussions of this list?

Paul Crocker