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> Gerard Madden, P.E.
> Civil Engineer, Associate
> CRJ Associates, Inc.
> email: gerardm(--nospam--at)
> tel: 650.324.0691
> fax: 650.324.0927
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Crocker [mailto:PaulC(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:24 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: WHO'S WHO? (Titles mean something!)
> The SEAs and ASCE have a lot of work ahead of them before this attitude
> will
> be
> practical in anything other than a technical/legal setting.  To use
> medical
> doctors as an example, most members of the general public have an
> understanding
> (or at least a general concept) of the difference between an intern, a
> resident,
> and a doctor.  They do not understand the difference between an EIT, a PE,
> and
> an SE.  Unlike a medical doctor, the average person does not visit an
> engineer
> even once in a life time, let alone every time they catch a cold.  There
> are
> no
> high drama television shows about any sort of engineering;  no actors or
> actress
> portraying fit, attractive engineers.  If someone in a casual setting asks
> you
> what you do, and you say that you are "an engineering in training working
> in
> an
> office that specializes in structural engineering and doing some tasks,
> under
> the direct supervision of a licensed structural engineer, that resemble
> structural engineering but differ from it for important legal reasons, and
> with
> a little more experience will be a professional engineer again in the same
> position, but a couple years after that will be a structural engineering,"
> then
> goodness, even the eyes of a technical professional would glaze over.
> Certainly
> this individual would be way out of line and disrespectful of the system
> to
> describe themselves as an "SE" or a "Licensed Structural Engineer", but
> there
> must be some happy medium.  This situation is not helped by the fact that
> most
> other fields of engineering do not has as clearly established
> title/liscense
> procedure.  I have friends who are aerospace and mechanical engineers who
> will
> never have or need a license.  Even within our modern world (not needing
> to
> look
> back at the historical founders of the profession), there are many fine
> "structural engineers" who live and practice overseas and will never have
> any
> sort of licensee because their nations do not require them.  How do the
> rules of
> etiquette apply to them in the casual (not legally binding or stamped and
> signed) discussions of this list?
> Paul Crocker