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- To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
- Subject: RE: REply to "Am I the Only Staad Supporter"
- From: Francis.Ang(--nospam--at)toyota.com.ph
- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:53:24 +0800
Is anyone familiar with some of STAAD's error in the computation? I heard from a colleague that there was an error in the stress computation for combined axial and bending (steel). I know there are some errors in the design for concrete. Does its steel design really has an error? How about the results of the analysis? 2-D models are O.K. but how about 3-D? Any reply would be highly appreciated. A. Yango CE/SE TMP > ---------- > From: MSSROLLO(--nospam--at)aol.com[SMTP:MSSROLLO(--nospam--at)aol.com] > Reply To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org > Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:21 PM > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org > Subject: REply to "Am I the Only Staad Supporter" > > Ken, > > Based on reading your posting I would not call you a STAAD supporter. You > > sounded like me SEVERAL years back when I first got STAAD at a company I > worked for. I was not a supporter, I just complained less than people > that > had run the program over a longer period of time. After I had run the > program for an extended period of time...I became a "Chronic Complainer". > My > problem was that my boss was not about to spend money on another program > since he could not get his money back from STAAD. We fell mostly into the > > advertisements and lip-service. Only running the product for months > reveals > all the problems you have to deal with. > > IMHO the #1 problem STAAD had back then was the support staff. I was not > familiar with the MA bunch, but the CA bunch was a constant headache. > Here > is a summary of problems....I bet they are the same in 1999 versus 1991. > > 1. You report a problem...they say it is user error....you spend days and > > weeks trying to get usuable answers until...BINGO..you figure out it is > their > problem..and have to spend time convincing them. Like another posting > stated...i got tired of debugging their program. > > 2. You send them your file to run and "see" the problem with the program. > > when they get the file, they strip everythign out except the part you are > complaining about (steel design for example). They never ran the file I > sent, they always edited it. I was always contending that their "free > format" is dangerous in that they do not know where the information is > going > due to the lack of structure. I was correct on several instances of this. > > When they edit the file, this removes the problem...and therefore they > report > to me that the answers are correct. > > 3. When you tell them of a feature that is easy to include in the program > > that would make life easier for a practicing engineer (not a programmer) > they > tell you that you do not need that. They appear to have no actual design > experience. Once, I asked for the program to print to a file in some > format > the forces on the finite elements so I could use programs I write to > further > process the information. I was basically only wanted the maximum forces > (+and -)and those occuring with them printed. I was basically looking for > 24 > or less elements out of 1000s of elements. They informed me that I did > not > need that because STAAD would print all the elements.....and that was > exactly > my problem....i got 100s of pages of output...but only needed less than 1 > page. The guy could not understand why I would not want every > number...and > only 24 or so. > > I could go on more....but I think this is sufficient to illustrate my > point....in short..STAAD would have to give me a free copy for me to ever > even think of using them again. I agree there is not perfect software, > but I > also think STAAD would not even make it to Ms Congeniality if there was a > competition. I am using RISA currently but have not had a chance to try > the > Windows version...no real complaints EXCEPT the length of time it took to > get > a windows version....I am trying to review Eagle Point soon. > > Ron Martin > >
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