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If you want to here screwing school related design, then how about Michigan, public schools are only required to be deisgn per an
NFPA code.  There is no "offical" structural code for the design of public
schools.  For example, while the city of Detroit has adopted the BOCA code
as its code (with some modifications), the public schools in Detroit are
not required to be designed structural per BOCA (or any code).  Of course,
one would hope that a person designing a school building would use a
minimum level of design that would be at the level of a model code, but it
is not required by law to my knowledge.  SEAMi has plans to attempt to
lobby to have this changed.


At 08:15 AM 11/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>The situation with the contractor sounds like Design-Build with Contractor
>lead.  The situation with the <fill in the blank> sounds like consulting
>with <fill in the blank> lead.  As long as the lead does not advertise that
>they have engineering services, everything sounds legal.  
>The most successful projects I have been involved in have been the ones that
>had the best team arrangement and had the correct professional as the lead.
>For example, a civil engineer should lead a road project with structural,
>electrical, etc. consultants.  Industrial plant work should have a
>mechanical as a lead and so on.  In my opinion, an architect should not be
>the lead professional on every job; however, in some jurisdictions this is
>the law.
>With design-build projects, the owner must realize that leaving certain
>decisions up to the contractor is not a good idea.  Several contractors in
>Florida seem to believe they know exactly what should go into an elementary
>school ... I disagree and that would be the time for the consultant to speak
>firmly because I know that any engineer does not want to end up in court
>because the playground does not meet the principal's standards.
>Hope this clears the picture instead of clouding it up ...
>William J. Keil, P.E.
><  What is the legality of contracting for services with an 
>unlicensed individual (such as a general contractor, mechanical engineer, 
>etc.) for services to be provided to an owner?
>It is my opinion that this type of contract is strictly illegal. That it 
>creates a situation where an unlicensed individual (possibly a good
>could write a contract with an owner for structural engineering services
>circumventing the State law. It would seem to me that any engineer who
>this to occur is breaking the law as well.  >