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You make an excellent point. I read your post yesterday and understood
immediately that the rhetoric is extremely important in these issues.
Liability is a determination of just how much your responsibility will cost.
Your points were enlightening and excellently made.

Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Turk [mailto:73527.1356(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:55 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: Plan Reuse Fee


While I hope that you and others on the list don't mean that you are
"liable" when you say that you are "liable," I really don't know what you
mean.  Too many people flippantly toss around the phrases, "accepting
liability," and, "am liable," that it would appear to be second nature to
answer, "yes," if and when they are asked if they are "liable."  Does it
to be, "I know what you mean, but you don't mean what you say?"

What is a person supposed to "know" if they hear you say to your
wife/husband, girl-/boyfriend, that you are going to "kill them tonight,"
when you really mean that you are going to (planning to) make mad, violent

Discussion on this list can go on ad nauseam if someone uses the words,
"cement" when meaning concrete, "dirt" instead of soil, etc., but there is
little or no discussion about misuse of important words, like, "liable."

Let's get the word, "liable" out of our vocabulary!

I think that you made the right decision concerning the project.

A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
Tucson, Arizona

Oshin Tosounian wrote:

>>In a message dated 2/9/2000 8:10:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
73527.1356(--nospam--at) writes:

<< First of all, I would not accept liability for anything before an event
 occurred.  I accept *responsibility* for my plans and specifications and
 contend that I am not liable for anything until a court determines


You know what I meant. We're not lawyers. That's why I have chosen to be an
engineer. It goes without saying that one is not liable until a loss has
occurred and he/she is found to be at fault.

I have already informed the architect that I was not interested. I rather do
another project for that same fee knowing it's going to be built once, and I
have a lot of those. :-)

Thanks to all who shared their thoughts.<<