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I just went through the same crap with another contractor.  This guy has a
buddy that is a steel erector, so he wanted to change the building from
metal plate trusses to steel joist.  Approximately 95% of the work I do is
steel bar joist; however, for this particular building in the proposed
market place, the architect and I thought wood trusses would be a little
cheaper.  Of course, the contractor could prove his method was better.

By the way, I am currently in a battle with this guy.  He thinks the
building is so simple that he can fabricate the building himself, without
shop drawings.  I about hit the roof when I heard this.  I wrote a five page
letter to the OWNER, but I think it went in one ear and out the other.  I
have informed eveyone that if shop drawings were not supplied and the
contractor was not run off, I was pulling myself as the EOR.  The building
is constructed under the UBC jurisdiction.  Does the UBC have some verbage
somewhere that would give me a little more leverage with the building

Brian K. Smith, P.E.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Polhemus, Bill [mailto:wlpolhemus(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 10:18 AM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
> Subject: RE: Lead time for steel JOISTS
> I think the real problem is this particular contractor doesn't
> "do" joists.
> I know that sounds funny but some of these contractors for specialized
> markets are this way. These folks for example do a lot of
> chemical/petrochemical plant work. Not much call for joists there. The
> building in question is for a chemical research and manufacturing company,
> but the facility is located in an office park and looks no different from
> any other "commercial" building there.
> I think the contractor's comment reflects his desire to have the
> world work
> the way he does.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip T. Hodge [mailto:phil(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 7:12 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: Lead time for steel JOISTS
> Bill:
> To my knowledge joists do not currently have a long lead time.  As
> suggested, detailing often is the bottleneck, but even so I don't think
> lead times are generally bad right now.  If your contractor is having
> trouble, s/he may need to find a new supplier.  There are several good
> ones around, if you're having trouble finding one email me privately and
> I'll give you a recommendation.
> Phil Hodge
> phil(--nospam--at)