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It is interesting to note that over past 20 years the Canadian Institute of
Steel Construction has renamed several times the shop drawing section in the
"CISC Code of Standard Practice For Structural Steel" to where the section
is now called "Fabrication and Erection Documents".  The section, in its
latest version, describes 5 separate and distinct documents that may be
prepared by a fabricator/erector.  The five documents being: 1) connection
design details, 2) shop details, 3) erection diagrams, 4) erection
procedures, and 5 ) field work details.

Depending on the size and scope of the project not all of the 5 documents
may be required.  I specify in the technical specifications section of the
contract documents which of the 5 documents are required for the specific

The connection design details section is important in that the
fabricator/erector submits connection design details, which may include
calculations, that confirms to the designer that the intent of the design is

I have been involved in many projects where this approach has worked
benifically for both the designer and fabricator.


Harry Olive, P.Eng., PE
Neill and Gunter
Fredericton, NB 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roger Turk [SMTP:73527.1356(--nospam--at)]
> Sent:	Thursday, March 09, 2000 12:02 AM
> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject:	Re: UBC
> I would take exception to that.  "Shop drawings," in their true meaning
> are 
> exactly what the name implies:  "Drawings to be used in the shop."  They
> give 
> the workers in the shop the exact dimensions, angles, curves, holes,
> welds, 
> processes, etc., necessary to cut and assemble pieces for erection in the 
> field.  "Shop drawings" should remain in the shop, and rarely, if ever, be
> in 
> the field.  They should be reviewed by the EOR for compliance with the 
> structural drawings.  Structural drawings rarely, if ever, show everything
> little thing that is necessary to fabricate and erect an item.  (When was
> the 
> last time that you showed lifting lugs on a beam or column?)
> While the structural drawings may show a weld to be a fillet, or complete 
> penetration, or partial penetration weld, they usually don't (and really 
> shouldn't) specify the process to be used to create these welds.  As such,
> the special inspector (in this example) needs the shop drawings in order
> to 
> perform his/her special inspection.
> Unfortunately, the term "shop drawings" has been used by engineers to
> cover 
> everything from "shop drawings," to placing drawings, to erection
> drawings, 
> to supplier structural calculations, etc.
> A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
> Tucson, Arizona