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Let's N O T get into a debate on which country has the better engineers!!

I'll just have to unsubscribe again :o(.


Bill Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
Laguna Niguel, CA

||-----Original Message-----
||From: Mike Valley [mailto:mtv(--nospam--at)]
||Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:32 PM
||To: seaint(--nospam--at)
||Cc: wlpolhemus(--nospam--at)
||Subject: RE: What does AISC's Research Show? (Was: ASD vs. LRFD)
||Are you playing the devil's advocate or are you really so provincial?
||IF, in fact, there is a design approach that is both easier to use AND
||more accurate (thus holding out economic benefits to both engineer and
||owner), it seems like the height of foolishness to ignore it simply
||because it wasn't developed by Americans.
||At the risk of stepping on your patriotic fervor, I believe that if
||you examine the world scene without regard to national boundaries you
||will find that "most of the preeminent engineers in the world" DO NOT
||"come to the U.S.A. to study AND to work."  PERHAPS close to half of
||the "preeminent engineers" study OR work in the U.S. at some time.  I
||say perhaps because I haven't seen any real evidence to that effect.
||Basing that conclusion on what is reported by the American media is
||faulty unless your definition of "preeminent" is "what I personally
||know about."
||As a member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural
||Engineering, I can assure you that the U.S. does not have a monopoly
||on impressive engineering.
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||> -----Original Message-----
||> From: Polhemus, Bill [mailto:wlpolhemus(--nospam--at)]
||> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:57 AM
||> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
||> Subject: RE: What does AISC's Research Show? (Was: ASD vs. LRFD)
||> But the question becomes:
||> Lead who?
||> Follow what?
||> Get out of WHOSE way?
||> The problem with this view is that we are typically designing U.S.
||> structures for U.S. sites and U.S. clients. Therefore, it
||> becomes moot
||> whether the Canadian steel design code is better, unless
||> you're designing
||> for Canada.
||> What is the size of the market for structural engineering
||> services in
||> Canada?
||> And while we're at it, why is it that most of the
||> preeminent engineers in
||> the world seem to like to come to the U.S.A. to study AND
||> to work? Do you
||> think they really fret about "neanderthal design codes" in
||> the process? Do
||> you think there's something else going on in their minds
||> unrelated to such
||> concerns?
||> At the risk of sounding like one of the Buchanan Brigades:
||> U.S.A. First, Last and Always!