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I tend to agree with Phil. I updated to AutoCad 2000 Architectual Desktop 2
from Release 12. I did it only days before they support for Release 12
ended. I'm not really sorry about this and can understand a company's
decision to stop supporting a past release. If the complaint is that they no
longer support 12, why not complain that they no longer support 2.5 or 10
I have yet to obtain support for Autocad directly from AutoDesk. I either
obtain it from my AutoCad rep (CVIS in this case) or else from AutoDesk
Newsgroups which offer some of the best support because it is offered
voluntarily by AutoCad retailers and consultants who are the most
knowledgable overall.
Therefore, I don't think you are really losing support for R12, you are only
losing the opportunity to upgrade to the current release for a special
upgrade price. I think this is a reasonable request since there have been
two or three releases since 12 (13, 14 and Autocad 2000 Release 1).


-----Original Message-----
From: Philip T. Hodge [mailto:phil(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:14 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: ASP - Application Service Providers - how will engineers
receive them????

Unfortunately there is a major difference between the current practice
of "not supporting" a particular version past a certain date, and the
proposed renting.  So AutoDesk doesn't support R12 anymore.  So what?
It still does everything it did the first day out of the box.  You don't
get all the new bells and whistles of R2000 they have since convinced us
we can't live without.  And you didn't get them last year either when
you were perfectly content with R12.  The only downside I've found with
being one release behind is compatibility with my leading edge
customers.  But I've never yet had problems telling them that they have
to save files in an old release when they send them to me.  This works
with AutoCAD, WordPerfect, Quattro, M$Word and Excel, and has for many
years.  With the new proposals the venders will actually FORCE us to
upgrade.  Not a pleasant thought even ignoring the price.  However, if
enough users object, our wonderful free market system will create a
supplier that will sell what the buyer wants to buy.