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Dennis, and others interested,

You might want to subscribe to the steel detailers list.  Many of them are
*independents* and would love to get involved with a *real* engineer. 
There is a continual thread of complaint about poor design drawings, and
problems with coordination.  There has also been considerable discussion
about teaming with engineers and doing a proper job.

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Notice, I'm copying the detailers' list.  We (many of us) have a common
goal, and I'm sure "marriages"  can be arranged.

You mentioned visualization skills.  You *can't* detail steel if you can't

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> From: Dennis S. Wish <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)>
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: RE: ENR Article - This is a good one for the Marketing Thread.
> Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:31 PM
> Peter,
> So share with us. How do you find a detailer for wood framing. I have
> problems find draftspersons who can visualize what they are drawing.
> do I find someone with structural knowledge who can do this and how much
> responsibility do give them?
> I have found an engineer who has scaled his practice down to where he
> does drafting work now. He has done a wonderful job for my associate in
> Angeles and I will be using him on an upcoming project. I have no
> the possibility of letting him take off on the detailing (or if he even
> wants to do this).
> I would appreciate it if you could share this with us so we know how to
> out someone qualified to do work as a detailer.
> Thanks,
> Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Higgins [mailto:JillHiggins(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:00 PM
> To: INTERNET:seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: RE: ENR Article - This is a good one for the Marketing Thread.
> Dennis,
> We don't have a large staff (we're VERY small). I do what the contractors
> do - hire the detailer.
> The only differences are that he works for me under my direction, and
> the stuff on my title block.
> Easy as falling off a log.
> However, it does require that you intimately understand the shop drawing
> process. Many of our colleagues are perhaps not as up to speed as we
> be on this. That's my biggest problem. Training my engineers to get it
> right at this level of detai.
> Peter Higgins