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Just one item to add...I believe Shafat may have touched on this...

Some people cannot unsubscribe using the correct method (either with or
without the email address included after the "leave seaint).  I am not
sure of the exact reason, but it has something to do with how different
email clients handle messages.

I originally was signed up to the list by way of work email address.  When
I signed up, the company was using M$ Outlook 97.  Everything was working
fine.  Then the company upgraded to M$ Outlook 98 and my SEAINT access
when downhill.  I couldn't contribute messages to the list and I could not
unsubsribe.  I then switched to using my personal email address (it also
saves clutter in my work email) and unscribed from work using my personal
email account.  

I would not that many people may not be aware of the ability to
subscribe/unsubscribe through the web page.  It might be useful to add a
note to that effect in the instructions at the bottom.

Scott Maxwell

On Sat, 6 May 2000, Dennis S. Wish wrote:

> It's worth a try:o) I would also suggest the user go to the List Server page
> on the SEAINT website (and this address added to the boiler instructions)
> at: All the instructions for
> subscribing, unsubscribe, changing to digest format etc is located on this
> page. The process is simple - put your email address in the appropriate box
> and the rest is done for you automatically.
> One more comment. The only thing that allows technology to become are
> masters is our own ignorance or undutifulness. The instructions include a
> request to contact the administrator at seaint-ad(--nospam--at) if you have
> problems. These specific instructions occur on every post.
> Then, why are specific instructions ignored?  Ignoring the process places an
> unnecessary burden on those who are not our servants. Posting demands rather
> than follow written instruction is, in my opinion, an inappropriate
> attitude. If there is a legitimate reason for the demand, explain it. It may
> soften the annoyance of the thousands on the list who must wade through
> these unnecessary posts.
> I apologize to those who have had legitimate problems unsubscribe. It is not
> appropriate, in my opinion, to expect Shafat or whomever is maintaining the
> server to search through 30 plus messages each day in order to isolate those
> who need special attention. This is why the seaint-ad(--nospam--at) address is
> posted in the boiler plate. I am, however, supportive of any changes to the
> written instructions that would help those who wish to leave the list do so.
> Respectfully,
> Dennis S. Wish, PE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ransom [mailto:ad026(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:09 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Why people can't unsubscribe
> > From: "Polhemus, Bill" <wlpolhemus(--nospam--at)>
> > Why is it that folks can figure out how to SUBCRIBE, no problem.
> > But they are HELPLESS when it comes to unsubscribing!
> > I've noticed this on every list I've been on including those I've owned.
> I'm one of those people that believe that if a significant number of
> people can't figure out the procedure then there is a procedural
> problem. It's the interface issue that is broken, not the people. The
> technology is our servant not the master.
> One obvious issue is the fact that the unsubscribe instructions are
> BURIED in the trailer. Secondly, have you noticed how many people refer
> to being REMOVED rather than unsubscribed? Maybe the term is foreign to
> them.
> Perhaps, a slight change would be useful (see below)
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