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Clearly this is besides the point, but how can they prove the engineer drew
it, if it wasn't stamped and signed?

Bart Needham

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From: Ron O. Hamburger [mailto:ROH(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:19 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Cc: Lee(--nospam--at)
Subject: Recent Ruling by California Board of Registration for Prof.

In a recent administrative action, the California Board of Registration for
Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors found a Civil Engineer to have
practiced negligently for failing to sign a series of preliminary
documents.  The documents consisted of preliminary drawings for a retaining
structure.  The drawings had been given to a client to illustrate the type
scope of work of a proposed site improvement and had the words "Preliminary"
"Not for Construction" clearly indicated on them.  The Board found the
guilty of a violation of the business and professions code in that he had
signed the documents.

SEAOC acted on behalf of the engineer and filed an affadavit citing that
preliminary documents were frequently produced by design professionals as a
means of facilitating discussions with clients and other design
professionals on
project requirements and that it was typical not to sign such documents,
specifically as one means to avoid representing that the information shown
complete or suitable for construction or other reliance.  The Board found
SEAOC's argument non-persuasive.

Please be advised that under this ruling, any engineering document, draft,
preliminary or otherwise, must be signed by a professional engineer.

SEAOC will continue to appeal this finding with the Board.