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I agree.  I got my MSE right after school.  It worked very well for me.  I
was a TA for intro. structural anaylsis (statics, trusses,
slope-deflection, moment-area, moment distribuation, etc.) during my
Masters.  Suddenly, all the stuff that I was taught when I actually took
the course made sense.  However, if I had gone out an had a job that used
all those techniques, then they probably would have still made sense.  I
do admit that the best way to learn something is to teach it (that is, if
you teach it well).  

Ultimately, I am not sure that I like the idea of mandating when someone
should get a MSE (which would essentially occur if a MSE becomes the "1st
Professional it would "have" to be obtained in the first 4
years after school). For some people, getting a MSE right away is the
right thing; for others it could be waiting 10 years or maybe even never.
Personally, I think that ever structural engineer could benefit from a
good MSE program, but I do believe that it should be a personal decision
until someone can give me a solid reason why a MSE should be required.
Otherwise, we will be forcing people to shell out another $10000+ for
something that we cannot supply a solid, good reason/benefit why they
should.  I think that someone with just a BSE can do just as well as
someone with a MSE with the right job experience (this means the young
engineer doesn't just get assigned to shop drawings or designing truss
after truss for the first 3 years of their new career.

Scott Maxwell 

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Albert Meyer wrote:

> I agree.  I felt the same when I completed my Master's degree, and being
> a T/A in strength of materials helped me to grasp much of what didn't
> "get" when completing my Bachelor's degree.  You learn much more
> teaching a subject than by simply being a student.  I've also heard from
> others that once you have your PhD, you finally understand what you
> learned obtaining your Master's.
> Albert J. Meyer, Jr., P.E.
> Martin-Espenlaub Engineering
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lutz,James [mailto:JLUTZ(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:53 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: RE: Recommended Reading, Part 2 of 2
> >From my own experience, I think the extra time getting the MSE was what
> I
> needed to truly digest all the things the professors tried to shovel
> into my
> head for my Bachelor's degree. This was an important benefit on top of
> the
> "advanced" topics (I date myself) that we covered like prestressed
> concrete,
> plates and shells, etc. A lot of the stuff that seemed like frosting
> turned
> into cake as I started to learn my trade.  Avoiding the draft for an
> extra
> year and a half was pretty good, too, but this is no longer a fringe
> benefit
> of much interest to the current crop of engineering students.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott E Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:17 AM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
> Subject: RE: Recommended Reading, Part 2 of 2
> Robert,
> Your response to Jake's first point/question interests me.
> A question back about your response...
> What in a MSE (graduate degree) gives the ability to a person to exhibit
> the desired qualities that you list that prevents a person with only a
> from exhibiting those same qualities?
> All the qualities that you listed are things that are learned on the
> "job".
> Just my thoughts...
> Scott Maxwell
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Rogers, Robert wrote:
> > Jake,  
> > 
> > Some food for thought......
> > 
> > <SNIP>
> > >1. If you want M.S. and the first professional degree, what do you
> > >expect a graduate to be able to do?
> > <SNIP>
> > 
> > Have the willingness to learn "more", continuously seek to know
> "more",
> and
> > combine their "book" knowledge with some "practical knowledge" as
> provided
> > by the senior engineers.
> >