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> I'm not sure if one can determine the benefits of post graduate work
> without
> looking at the quality of their undergraduate degree.  Not all schools are
> equal.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Scott E Maxwell [SMTP:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> > Sent:	Monday, June 19, 2000 2:12 PM
> > To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject:	RE: Recommended Reading, Part 2 of 2
> > 
> > I agree.  I got my MSE right after school.  It worked very well for me.
> I
> > was a TA for intro. structural anaylsis (statics, trusses,
> > slope-deflection, moment-area, moment distribuation, etc.) during my
> > Masters.  Suddenly, all the stuff that I was taught when I actually took
> > the course made sense.  However, if I had gone out an had a job that
> used
> > all those techniques, then they probably would have still made sense.  I
> > do admit that the best way to learn something is to teach it (that is,
> if
> > you teach it well).  
> > 
> > Ultimately, I am not sure that I like the idea of mandating when someone
> > should get a MSE (which would essentially occur if a MSE becomes the
> "1st
> > Professional degree...ie it would "have" to be obtained in the first 4
> > years after school). For some people, getting a MSE right away is the
> > right thing; for others it could be waiting 10 years or maybe even
> never.
> > Personally, I think that ever structural engineer could benefit from a
> > good MSE program, but I do believe that it should be a personal decision
> > until someone can give me a solid reason why a MSE should be required.
> > Otherwise, we will be forcing people to shell out another $10000+ for
> > something that we cannot supply a solid, good reason/benefit why they
> > should.  I think that someone with just a BSE can do just as well as
> > someone with a MSE with the right job experience (this means the young
> > engineer doesn't just get assigned to shop drawings or designing truss
> > after truss for the first 3 years of their new career.
> > 
> > Scott Maxwell 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Albert Meyer wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree.  I felt the same when I completed my Master's degree, and
> being
> > > a T/A in strength of materials helped me to grasp much of what didn't
> > > "get" when completing my Bachelor's degree.  You learn much more
> > > teaching a subject than by simply being a student.  I've also heard
> from
> > > others that once you have your PhD, you finally understand what you
> > > learned obtaining your Master's.
> > > 
> > > Albert J. Meyer, Jr., P.E.
> > > Martin-Espenlaub Engineering
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lutz,James [mailto:JLUTZ(--nospam--at)earthtech.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:53 PM
> > > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > > Subject: RE: Recommended Reading, Part 2 of 2
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From my own experience, I think the extra time getting the MSE was
> what
> > > I
> > > needed to truly digest all the things the professors tried to shovel
> > > into my
> > > head for my Bachelor's degree. This was an important benefit on top of
> > > the
> > > "advanced" topics (I date myself) that we covered like prestressed
> > > concrete,
> > > plates and shells, etc. A lot of the stuff that seemed like frosting
> > > turned
> > > into cake as I started to learn my trade.  Avoiding the draft for an
> > > extra
> > > year and a half was pretty good, too, but this is no longer a fringe
> > > benefit
> > > of much interest to the current crop of engineering students.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott E Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:17 AM
> > > To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> > > Subject: RE: Recommended Reading, Part 2 of 2
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Robert,
> > > 
> > > Your response to Jake's first point/question interests me.
> > > 
> > > A question back about your response...
> > > 
> > > What in a MSE (graduate degree) gives the ability to a person to
> exhibit
> > > the desired qualities that you list that prevents a person with only a
> > > BSE
> > > from exhibiting those same qualities?
> > > 
> > > All the qualities that you listed are things that are learned on the
> > > "job".
> > > 
> > > Just my thoughts...
> > > 
> > > Scott Maxwell
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Rogers, Robert wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Jake,  
> > > > 
> > > > Some food for thought......
> > > > 
> > > > <SNIP>
> > > > >1. If you want M.S. and the first professional degree, what do you
> > > > >expect a graduate to be able to do?
> > > > <SNIP>
> > > > 
> > > > Have the willingness to learn "more", continuously seek to know
> > > "more",
> > > and
> > > > combine their "book" knowledge with some "practical knowledge" as
> > > provided
> > > > by the senior engineers.
> >