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Remarkably, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Good job, Acie.


Bill Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
Laguna Niguel, CA 

||-----Original Message-----
||From: Acie Chance [mailto:achance(--nospam--at)]
||Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:34 PM
||To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
||Subject: Who wants to be a doctor?
||     I am truly amazed at the dialog on what an engineer 
||should be. What does a 
||Masters or Ph.D.. degree have to do with finding solution to 
||problems. Analyze 
||the stress level from a supposed earthquake in a frame is not 
||as important as 
||knowing the connections should be at a lower stress then the 
||beams. With all 
||the classes at the masters level very little was taught about 
||design of 
||connections and no one talked about the amount of connection 
||failures verse 
||member failure. In steel design we learned to design the 
||lightest beams and 
||concrete classes taught the least amount of steel. I must be 
||doing the other 
||kinds of structures as the ability to build the structures 
||quickly is easily as 
||important as the cost of the steel. There were no classes in 
||offered. There were no classes offered in specification 
||writing. These are some 
||of the things which make a real world engineer good.
||     If you feel you do not get enough money in your paycheck 
||find a new job. 
||It will only take you eight years to become the doctor you 
||want to be but did 
||not take the time to become. It takes even less time to 
||become a lawyer. As for 
||me I am an engineer and do not like being compared to either. 
||I solve problems 
||on how to build structures. I do not dispense pills of vast 
||amounts of 
||verbiage. I know what I contribute to the world and do not 
||need others to tell 
||me what it is. Your pay is between the doctor who need 8 
||years of additional 
||school and the iron worker who only has a high school 
||diploma. That is where it 
||belongs. If you chose engineering for the money you chose poorly.
||     Using the S.E. or P.E. license to limit immigration 
||really upsets me. This 
||country was made up of many different races and 
||nationalities. Anyone who loves 
||freedom will have problems with this attitude. This is the 
||country where any 
||one can become what ever they want. We should keep it that way.
||     One last point. A person who gets a Ph.D. to work in the 
||engineering field 
||will find few jobs which will put his additional knowledge to 
||full use. Any 
||person with a Ph.D.. can do ordinary structural design work, 
||but most want to 
||do high profile work. This is the reason  they took the 
||additional classes. The 
||problem is there is not much of this high profile work out 
||here. The majority 
||of work is less then three story and can be done by a 
||engineer with a BS and do 
||diligence to the laws of static. There is no need for the 
||owner of a warehouse 
||to pay for a push over analysis when a simple UBC static 
||analysis with 
||attention to connection will prevent collapse of the building.
||     The first draft of this e-mail was deleted by accident. 
||It was more 
||emotional and much more colorful. I believe the first draft 
||was eaten by my 
||computer to protect me from making irrational statement. This 
||is a very user 
||friendly computer.
||Acie P. Chance     Engineer, Structural problem solver.