Remarkably, I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Good job, Acie.
Bill Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
Laguna Niguel, CA
||From: Acie Chance [mailto:achance(--nospam--at)lacsd.org]
||Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:34 PM
||Subject: Who wants to be a doctor?
|| I am truly amazed at the dialog on what an engineer
||should be. What does a
||Masters or Ph.D.. degree have to do with finding solution to
||the stress level from a supposed earthquake in a frame is not
||as important as
||knowing the connections should be at a lower stress then the
||beams. With all
||the classes at the masters level very little was taught about
||connections and no one talked about the amount of connection
||member failure. In steel design we learned to design the
||lightest beams and
||concrete classes taught the least amount of steel. I must be
||doing the other
||kinds of structures as the ability to build the structures
||quickly is easily as
||important as the cost of the steel. There were no classes in
||offered. There were no classes offered in specification
||writing. These are some
||of the things which make a real world engineer good.
|| If you feel you do not get enough money in your paycheck
||find a new job.
||It will only take you eight years to become the doctor you
||want to be but did
||not take the time to become. It takes even less time to
||become a lawyer. As for
||me I am an engineer and do not like being compared to either.
||I solve problems
||on how to build structures. I do not dispense pills of vast
||verbiage. I know what I contribute to the world and do not
||need others to tell
||me what it is. Your pay is between the doctor who need 8
||years of additional
||school and the iron worker who only has a high school
||diploma. That is where it
||belongs. If you chose engineering for the money you chose poorly.
|| Using the S.E. or P.E. license to limit immigration
||really upsets me. This
||country was made up of many different races and
||nationalities. Anyone who loves
||freedom will have problems with this attitude. This is the
||country where any
||one can become what ever they want. We should keep it that way.
|| One last point. A person who gets a Ph.D. to work in the
||will find few jobs which will put his additional knowledge to
||full use. Any
||person with a Ph.D.. can do ordinary structural design work,
||but most want to
||do high profile work. This is the reason they took the
||additional classes. The
||problem is there is not much of this high profile work out
||here. The majority
||of work is less then three story and can be done by a
||engineer with a BS and do
||diligence to the laws of static. There is no need for the
||owner of a warehouse
||to pay for a push over analysis when a simple UBC static
||attention to connection will prevent collapse of the building.
|| The first draft of this e-mail was deleted by accident.
||It was more
||emotional and much more colorful. I believe the first draft
||was eaten by my
||computer to protect me from making irrational statement. This
||is a very user
||Acie P. Chance Engineer, Structural problem solver.