Here, here! Excellent rant.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Acie Chance [SMTP:achance(--nospam--at)lacsd.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> Subject: Who wants to be a doctor?
> I am truly amazed at the dialog on what an engineer should be. What
> does a
> Masters or Ph.D.. degree have to do with finding solution to problems.
> the stress level from a supposed earthquake in a frame is not as important
> knowing the connections should be at a lower stress then the beams. With
> the classes at the masters level very little was taught about design of
> connections and no one talked about the amount of connection failures
> member failure. In steel design we learned to design the lightest beams
> concrete classes taught the least amount of steel. I must be doing the
> kinds of structures as the ability to build the structures quickly is
> easily as
> important as the cost of the steel. There were no classes in
> offered. There were no classes offered in specification writing. These are
> of the things which make a real world engineer good.
> If you feel you do not get enough money in your paycheck find a new
> It will only take you eight years to become the doctor you want to be but
> not take the time to become. It takes even less time to become a lawyer.
> As for
> me I am an engineer and do not like being compared to either. I solve
> on how to build structures. I do not dispense pills of vast amounts of
> verbiage. I know what I contribute to the world and do not need others to
> me what it is. Your pay is between the doctor who need 8 years of
> school and the iron worker who only has a high school diploma. That is
> where it
> belongs. If you chose engineering for the money you chose poorly.
> Using the S.E. or P.E. license to limit immigration really upsets me.
> country was made up of many different races and nationalities. Anyone who
> freedom will have problems with this attitude. This is the country where
> one can become what ever they want. We should keep it that way.
> One last point. A person who gets a Ph.D. to work in the engineering
> will find few jobs which will put his additional knowledge to full use.
> person with a Ph.D.. can do ordinary structural design work, but most want
> do high profile work. This is the reason they took the additional
> classes. The
> problem is there is not much of this high profile work out here. The
> of work is less then three story and can be done by a engineer with a BS
> and do
> diligence to the laws of static. There is no need for the owner of a
> to pay for a push over analysis when a simple UBC static analysis with
> attention to connection will prevent collapse of the building.
> The first draft of this e-mail was deleted by accident. It was more
> emotional and much more colorful. I believe the first draft was eaten by
> computer to protect me from making irrational statement. This is a very
> friendly computer.
> Acie P. Chance Engineer, Structural problem solver.