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A Doctor can destroy a human life with a single stroke of his scalpel; an
engineer can destroy hundreds of lives with a single click of his mouse.
Who has the greater stress?  Should not the compensation be commensurate
with the gravity of the task?

T Bayne.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Allen" <Bill(--nospam--at)>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: Who wants to be a doctor?

> Remarkably, I couldn't have said it any better myself.
> Good job, Acie.
> Regards,
> Bill Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
> Laguna Niguel, CA
> ||-----Original Message-----
> ||From: Acie Chance [mailto:achance(--nospam--at)]
> ||Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:34 PM
> ||To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
> ||Subject: Who wants to be a doctor?
> ||
> ||
> ||
> ||     I am truly amazed at the dialog on what an engineer
> ||should be. What does a
> ||Masters or Ph.D.. degree have to do with finding solution to
> ||problems. Analyze
> ||the stress level from a supposed earthquake in a frame is not
> ||as important as
> ||knowing the connections should be at a lower stress then the
> ||beams. With all
> ||the classes at the masters level very little was taught about
> ||design of
> ||connections and no one talked about the amount of connection
> ||failures verse
> ||member failure. In steel design we learned to design the
> ||lightest beams and
> ||concrete classes taught the least amount of steel. I must be
> ||doing the other
> ||kinds of structures as the ability to build the structures
> ||quickly is easily as
> ||important as the cost of the steel. There were no classes in
> ||constructability
> ||offered. There were no classes offered in specification
> ||writing. These are some
> ||of the things which make a real world engineer good.
> ||     If you feel you do not get enough money in your paycheck
> ||find a new job.
> ||It will only take you eight years to become the doctor you
> ||want to be but did
> ||not take the time to become. It takes even less time to
> ||become a lawyer. As for
> ||me I am an engineer and do not like being compared to either.
> ||I solve problems
> ||on how to build structures. I do not dispense pills of vast
> ||amounts of
> ||verbiage. I know what I contribute to the world and do not
> ||need others to tell
> ||me what it is. Your pay is between the doctor who need 8
> ||years of additional
> ||school and the iron worker who only has a high school
> ||diploma. That is where it
> ||belongs. If you chose engineering for the money you chose poorly.
> ||     Using the S.E. or P.E. license to limit immigration
> ||really upsets me. This
> ||country was made up of many different races and
> ||nationalities. Anyone who loves
> ||freedom will have problems with this attitude. This is the
> ||country where any
> ||one can become what ever they want. We should keep it that way.
> ||     One last point. A person who gets a Ph.D. to work in the
> ||engineering field
> ||will find few jobs which will put his additional knowledge to
> ||full use. Any
> ||person with a Ph.D.. can do ordinary structural design work,
> ||but most want to
> ||do high profile work. This is the reason  they took the
> ||additional classes. The
> ||problem is there is not much of this high profile work out
> ||here. The majority
> ||of work is less then three story and can be done by a
> ||engineer with a BS and do
> ||diligence to the laws of static. There is no need for the
> ||owner of a warehouse
> ||to pay for a push over analysis when a simple UBC static
> ||analysis with
> ||attention to connection will prevent collapse of the building.
> ||     The first draft of this e-mail was deleted by accident.
> ||It was more
> ||emotional and much more colorful. I believe the first draft
> ||was eaten by my
> ||computer to protect me from making irrational statement. This
> ||is a very user
> ||friendly computer.
> ||
> ||Acie P. Chance     Engineer, Structural problem solver.
> ||
> ||
> ||
> ||