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Oh please, I believe this extreme argument has lost sight of the question.



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charles Greenlaw [SMTP:cgreenlaw(--nospam--at)speedlink.com]
> Sent:	Friday, July 14, 2000 5:04 PM
> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Cc:	GSearer(--nospam--at)wje.com
> Subject:	RE: Definition of A sub B in Rho evaluation
> 
> Ah, yes, nobility. 
> 
> Funny, though, what goes around comes around. 
> 
> The origins and inplementation of the rho factor were as bereft of
> nobility,
> and as coercively pushed without deference to well-credentialed, cautious
> skeptics, as any substantive seismic code addition in memory. It remains a
> sullying blight on the sponsoring SE Assn which let such slipshoddery
> pass. 
> 
> General Patton noted that it is not what we say, but what we fail to say,
> that lets trouble happen and then get worse. 
> 
> It may be of interest that there is an expertly compiled, 13-page
> Rho-damning paper under consideration by Seismology Committee of SEAONC,
> authored by committee member Gary Searer SE, of Wiss Janney Elstner, and
> which concludes that for good cause the Rho factor should be immediately
> striken from code. This paper has 24 reviewing and co-signing engineers,
> including Prof V.V. Bertero of UC Berkeley, a noted exponent of redundancy
> in seismic systems. 
> 
> Now I'm tolerant of the fact that many people are willing followers of
> controlling, coercive religious sects. Often they find comfort in being
> told
> by "authority" in detail how to lead their lives, rather than figure it
> out
> for themselves from first principles. But engineering purports to be
> founded
> in open rationality and scientific method, not in dogma and ritual and
> downwardly imposed authoritarian heirarchy. Separation of church and
> engineering, in the attitude and methodology sense, should be afforded the
> same respect the equivalent gets in our US Constitution. It took a little
> roughness and a lapse of nobility to get things to where we could have our
> own constitution, and more yet on occasion to preserve it. 
> 
> Charles O. Greenlaw SE  Sacramento CA
> ---------------------------------------------------
> At 08:04 AM 07/14/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >Thanks Paul
> >It is refreshing to know that nobility is not dead! 
> >I also want to add that there are design examples in the Seismic Design
> >Manuals (for 1997 UBC) published by SEAOC.  They include rho
> calculations.
> >Sharon
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:	Paul_Reilly(--nospam--at)dot.ca.gov [SMTP:Paul_Reilly(--nospam--at)dot.ca.gov]
> >> Sent:	Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:01 AM
> >> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >> Subject:	RE: Definition of A sub B in Rho evaluation
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ouch B & C.  Unnecessary roughness?  My interpretation for the code
> >> required standard of practice is 1936.  I would use 1600, just because.
> >
> 
> 
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