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If they want to change *your* design, have them sign a release and seal the

As EOR, you it's okay to listen to reason.  It's not okay for you to be
bullied or blackailed into changing the design.  If the Building Official
wants to change the design, have *him* sign the release and seal the

It's your reputation and livlihood (sp?) on the line.  Everyone else can
search out and ascend a convenient tree.

I'll bet the contractor bid the job based on your design.  Now he's trying
to put extra bucks in his pocket and unload the risk on you.

If I seem to have a bad attitute, it's because I just got out of a
deposition.  The attorney on the other side is "suppressing evidence",
because it would sabotage her case.  I need to raise my "expert witness"
fees again.

Fountain E. Conner, P.E.
Gulf Breeze, Fl. 32561

From: John Riley <jpriley485(--nospam--at)>
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Partition loading
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:40 PM

For a 3-story senior care facility, I have specified TJI floor joists.  On
the drawings, I delineated the live loads used, but did not specify the
dead loads, which included 20 psf partition load per UBC97 1606.2.

Since I called out TJI's on plan, I consider it to be a performance spec. 
Contractor is trying to use I-joist other than TJI's, arguing to the
architect and building official that partition loading is not necessary. 
Even the people (salesman probably) at TJI expressed surprise that
partition loading was used.

Most of the interior non-bearing partition walls line up with one another,
similar to in a motel.  But, I don't feel comfortable with omitting the
partition loads, based on the argument that the partition walls "will not
be moved."

I may be overruled by the building official, so my question is, does anyone
on this list have a "template" letter to be used to document my position in
the matter?  Of course, I can author my own, but thought the learned
assembly here might have a good canned letter.

Also, if you have an argument, one way or the other, concerning the
applicability of UBC97 1606.2, I'm very interested to hear it.


John P. Riley, SE
Riley Engineering
Blue Grass, Iowa

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