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RE: [AEC-Residential] SEAOC's support of Two-Tiered Registration

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So what does it mean to grandfather Civil Engineers who specialize in
Structures.  Pass the test I had too.

> [Original Message]
> From: Dennis S. Wish <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)>
> To: <aec-residential(--nospam--at)>
> Cc: SEAINT Listservice <seaint(--nospam--at)>
> Date: 10/1/00 1:43:03 PM
> Subject: [AEC-Residential] SEAOC's support of Two-Tiered Registration
> I received a draft of SEAOC's intention to support the 2-tiered licensing
> for Structural Engineering applicants, including the grand fathering of
> existing Civil Engineers who specialize in structures. For the most part,
> am in agreement with the provisions as it serves the public interest.  The
> act, which conforms with already existing provisions in many states, will
> "help" to reduce the problems cause by unqualified professionals who use
> broad definition of Civil Engineering to provide services at the expense
> the public and insurance industry. I perceived this as a large problem as
> far back as the Whittier Earthquake in 1987 and have been outspoken on the
> subject ever since.
> There are some proposals in the provisions which I do not support. At
> present, the initial document - a starting point - attempts to define the
> fine line between SE-I and SE-II. I believe this is a mistake. The current
> provisions which separate SE's from CE's is sufficiently clear to leave
> fine line to the discretion of the local building department (as far as
> tall a building must be before an SE is required) and the engineers
> to prove his or her competency.
> In the next few days, I will post the documents I have which have been
> distributed to SEAOC board members urging them to support the provision
> to unite with the NCSEA on this topic so as to gain unity among all states
> chapters. The fine line between SE-I and II currently varies with each
> state.
> Another provision of the act which I totally support is the requirement
> continuing education including credited courses which may be applied with
> work experience to qualify an applicant for the SE-II exams. Specially, I
> applaud Bill Warren SE (the author of this document) for his foresight to
> include online educational services at nominal fees for engineers who are
> not within major metropolitan areas and who are unable to attend seminars
> far from home.
> I am hoping to see some discussion on this topic as it is the consensus of
> some of the active SEAOC SE's that the Civil Engineers who comprise
> approximately half of the SEAOC membership are either apathetic or
> uninterested in these issues. I find that difficult to believe and, in my
> opinion, think the reason is that the provisions were not made accessible
> the majority of the SEAOC membership.
> Please let me know what your thoughts are on this matter. I am not sure if
> SEAOC has posted the document, but I will do so today on The
> Structuralist.Net website at
> Sincerely,
> Dennis S. Wish, PE
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