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RE: Certification of Structural Engineers

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Under current WA law (current meaning from about a year ago until about a
year from now) you can take the SE directly without taking the PE first.
You would get an SE, but no PE, going that route.  Under previous and future
law, you need to take the PE first and then wait 2 years for the SE.  While
I could have taken advantage of this brief loop hole in the law to skip the
PE exam and proceed directly to the SE exam, that would have left me without
the ability to get reciprocity in another state, and would have left me with
an SE registration that would be different from 99% of the other SEs in this
state.  I can foresee that creating problems down the road.  Hence, I choose
to go the PE first route and not deal with problems down the road that could
come up having gotten a registration under a briefly applicable loop hole.
I'm not sure if this addresses your question.  I am not aware of any law
allowing the SE I exam only to equal a PE in this state.  

Paul Crocker

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hill [mailto:thill(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:19 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: Certification of Structural Engineers

Why didn't you apply for the Structural 1 exam?
Doesn't WA allow this for the PE?

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Crocker [mailto:paulc(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:27 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: Certification of Structural Engineers

"Therefore, the PE in WA will allow you to get reciprocity with all the
states that don't have an SE license (which is most states).  This may or
may not matter to you."

Thanks for your reply.  Reciprocity is an important issue for me.  In fact,
WA requires the PE to qualify to take the SE, so I don't doubt the economic
value of taking the PE.  I certainly wouldn't be spending a notable chunk of
my spare time for months on end studying if I saw no pay off.  It just seem
like a shame that our profession is required to spends time working to feign
competency in areas that we do not use (traffic signaling, open channel
flow, etc.) when that exam review time could be applied to issue more
germane to us (steel moment frame connections, ACI Appendix B design, IBC
2000, etc.).  As we conteplate what the various plans for national SE
standards could mean, I think that my PE experience emphasizes to me the
need to be sure that new levels of registration are beneficial to the
profession, and don't just represent another hoop to jump through, more of
legal than practical value.  

Paul Crocker