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- Subject: SE-I and SE-II
- From: "Dennis S. Wish" <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)gte.net>
- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:09:43 -0700
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Our conversations seem to be drifting on state reciprocity and minimum standards for compliance of the SE-I. The SE-I and SE-II exams will make the practice of structural engineering much more fair - especially from the test taking position. My concerns with the proposal, however, is not the minimum requirements for practice, but the attempt to define the limits of practice of the SE-I. This is not how the Title Act in California is defined and the attempt to draw a line based on assumed competency is in my opinion dangerous. The title act is based on the 1933 Fields Act and the 1971 Hospital act which separates responsibility by the level of risk to lives the building must be designed to. It establishes the line between Civil and Structural at Essential Facilities and leaves all other issues to the local municipalities. It appears from the proposals that changing to a Practice act requires defining the responsibility of the SE-I which may, in my opinion, restrict a qualified engineer from practicing as he has for years. I believe that there is only one solution as I noted earlier: 1. A panel represented equally by SE-I and II level engineers must make this decision and not leave the control of the profession to the SE-II level alone. Reasons were stated in past posts including the likely event that the SE-II has little or no experience with low-rise wood structures and residential homes. 2. The line should be blurred to allow for interpretation and compromise when an engineer can prove his abilities without additional testing (in cases of grand-fathering). 3. I am a strong believer that the existing restrictions defining the difference by essential facility are sufficient. The protection of the public stems not from the incompetent engineers practicing structural engineering (however, expert witnesses make a great living working for attorneys suing SE's) but rather from the unqualified engineer who uses the umbrella of the Civil license to work outside his level or experience. I would strongly urge all who have an opinion on this issue to review the documents available and write your SEA chapter with your comments. CE's in California represent almost 50% of the membership of SEAOC and should have strong opinions as to the definition of the division of responsibility. This does not even match the number of CE's practicing structural engineering who are not members of professional organizations. This is not the time to be APATHETIC and uninterested as the results of this proposed change can have profound affect on your ability to practice. Regards, Dennis S. Wish, PE The Structuralist Administrator for: http://www.structuralist.net AEC-Residential Listservice admin(--nospam--at)structuralist.net (208) 361-5447 E-Fax The Structuralist is a Public, Professional and Educational website devoted to issues on Housing. You are invited to participate or simply visit our discussion forums at" http://www.structuralist.net/cgi-local/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi NOTE: YOU MUST REGISTER (FREE) WITH THE SITE TO POST REPLIES OR MESSAGES. Our Residential Listservice is open to all professionals in the building industry and the discussions include code compliance issues as well as quality of construction, prescriptive vs. full compliance, present and future code development and more. The AEC-Residential List is by subscription (always free). To subscribe send an e-mail to one of the following addresses: For Full Listservice: aec-residential-request(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc For Digest Format: aec-residential-digest-request(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc To subscribe OR Unsubscribe - enter one of the following words in the body of the message and send. Do not place information in the subject line as it will be ignored. subscribe unsubscribe
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