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I just want to point out that Proposition 35 is about flexibility and choice for
state and local government.  Public agencies will once again be allowed to
choose from both the private and public sector engineering sources, as is the
case for the other 49 states, and was the case in the not so distant past in
California.  It will allow you flexibility to use private consultants when the
need arises.  Check out the web page.  I'm confident you will see the benefit to
all Californians.
Tom Benson at Lowney Associates
1785 Locust Street, Suite 10
Pasadena, CA 91106-1614
(626) 396-1490
FAX: (626) 396-1491
Geotechnical & Environmental Engineering Services

Vote YES on Proposition 35:  see

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Subject:    RE: Prop35 
Author: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date:       10/19/2000 4:47 PM

As a longstanding member of SEAOC, and an engineer in the public sector, I
do not appreciate the way this proposition is being pushed by the board. I
do realize that it is critical for the public agencies to have the
flexibility of contracting out when they have exhausted all the internal
resources or when the expertise is not available internally or in case of an
emergency. But to imply that whenever a project is done by a public agency
design professional it is going to cost the tax payers more an take longer
is outright wrong. SEAOC should be more sensitive to many of its members
that work in the public sector and not push this in the manner that it has. 

I do know first hand that, at least in our shop, our customers prefer
in-house plan check to the consultant review by a ratio of 4 to 1 according
to a survey we recently did. The best approach, in my opinion is for each
jurisdiction to perform a comparative evaluation of cost, time and quality
to determine which is the better choice for them on each project (in-house
or contract) and proceed accordingly.

My 2 cents
Ben Yousefi, SE
San Jose, CA

        -----Original Message-----
        From:        Shafat Qazi [SMTP:seaint-ad(--nospam--at)]
        Sent:        Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:07 PM
        To:        seaint(--nospam--at)
        Subject:        Fwd: Prop35

        >From: lee(--nospam--at)
        >To: shafat(--nospam--at)
        >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:29:00  -0700
        >Subject:   Prop35
        >Reply-To: lee(--nospam--at)
        >X-Mailer: MT Mail ver. 1.22.4
        >Election Day is Only 18 Days Away -
        >We Need to Keep Working on Getting Out the Yes Vote
        >This is a critical Issue for Design Professionals and the Citizens
        >California. If you have not already done so, please make one last
        >to get out the vote.
        >Proposition 35 is About Choice
        >What it is: Proposition 35 will be a change to the California State
        >Constitution - it will simply give state and local governments the
        >flexibility to retain private sector engineers and architects.
        >A Yes Vote on Proposition 35 Means:
        >Local Communities, Schools, Hospitals, Towns, Cities, Counties,
        >Get to Choose Engineers, Architects and Contractors for Schools,
        >Transportation and Water Projects.
        >A No Vote Means:
        >No Choice
        >Government Bureaucracy Gets Even Larger
        >More Time to Wait for Needed Projects
        >More Tax Dollars to Pay Salaries and Rent
        >Spend More $$ for Your Community Projects
        >We Need Your Help to Get Out The Yes Vote
        >First, be sure all employees of your firm, not just engineers, are
        >of the importance of voting for 35. Urge them to go to the polls or
        >their absentee ballot and vote Yes.
        >To E-mail a Friend or Colleague About 35 Go To 
        >To send a yes on Prop. 35 Card to a friend or colleague go to 
        >For More General Information Visit the Campaign Web Site at