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- From: "Dennis Wish" <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)gte.net>
- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:57:45 -0800
Ben, I think that there should be some attention paid to the fact that wood framed residential structures have inherent redundancies that we have debated on numerous occasions. Gary Searer's paper does an excellent job of identifying the ambiguity in this portion of the code by providing 10 or 12 examples from wood frame structures to multi-story concrete rigid diaphragm structures that the calculation of Rho yields inappropriate results. My point is that I don't believe a residential wood structure should have a redundancy factor greater than 1.0 - especially since there is no evidence of failures occurring because of a lack of redundancy. Few residential wood framed structures are design as lofts - with a lack of interior partitions. The current code ignores the interior partitions at the expense of the home owners. I have read the San Jose simplified design approach, and as with the L.A. City ST-12, it does simplify the design methodology, but again, at the expense of the public by increasing the strength of the uplift resistance on shearwalls and an assumption of Rho at 1.5. I am starting to see a trend in my area where homes, historically designed by engineers for middle income families, are beginning to adopt prescriptive methodologies by eliminating the few irregularities in order to allow the developer to profit much more. Unlike three or four years ago, the same home is selling for what the market will bear - often 2 times the selling price from last year with no change in construction cost, property cost and less than a 10% increase in material costs. This is 'glut' as a low income home in my area is now afforded by only middle income families. I continue to protest the adoption of a code that feels the public will just have to dig deeper into their pockets to afford a home which is designed to standards that have yet to prove their effective gains for the increased investment in cost. Rather than improving the quality of construction, we are improving the quality only for those who can afford it and creating incentive for decreasing quality for those who have no control over what is being constructed (i.e.., spec homes). An engineer made a comment to me recently that the dissatisfaction within the structural community had reached its peak about four months or so ago and the community is becoming complacent and accepting of the new methods. This is a real shame as it isn't support for the method but rather frustration as the code writers are simply unwilling to do anything ease the burden of their over-design on the public who can least afford the changes. These are my opinions on the issues and I certainly wish the engineering community would not forget were the responsibility lies. Regards, Dennis S. Wish, PE The Structuralist Administrator for: http://www.structuralist.net AEC-Residential Listservice admin(--nospam--at)structuralist.net (208) 361-5447 E-Fax ICQ # 95561393 From: "Youseffi, Ben" <Ben.Yousefi(--nospam--at)ci.sj.ca.us> To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org> Subject: RE: Redundancy factor 1.0 for single story wood framed? Lynn There was a code change proposal to the IBC by SEAOC, that was approved last April. It added the following at the end of the definition of r(max) for shear walls: "...In light-frame construction the value of the ratio of 10/L(w) need not be greater than 1.0." What this change does, is to eliminate any penalty for having a shear wall that is shorter than 10 feet when calculating the value of Rho. This is a great help in wood light frame construction where many walls are normally less than 10 feet. However, since we are not going to adopt the IBC, something needs to get done in the interim about the Rho factor in light frame buildings. One possibility is to work with the state agencies (such as HCD) to see if they would be willing to add this to their list of amendments to the state code, when the 97 UBC goes through the re-adoption process next year. Individual persons or groups can also submit code change proposals to the Building Standards Commission, but I don't think there is any precedent on getting anything amended to the CBC through that channel. The dead line for submitting proposals to the BSC is January 3, 2001. Ben Yousefi, SE San Jose, CA
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