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Ditto!  We are only three engineers, but we also do all of our own
drafting.  I have always found it more efficient.

Charles F. Espenlaub, III, P.E.
Martin-Espenlaub Engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:33 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: construction Drawings

I have a 20 person firm in Chicago.

I REQUIRE that ALL of my structural engineers (including ME) be adept at
AutoCAD. We have no "draftsmen", per se.

There are some very talented veteran "draftsmen" out there...don't get

(I worked with many at SOM-Chicago...some were actually pretty good
(with no formal training, of course), in fact.

However, with so many colleges teaching CAD, we hire only CAD proficient
engineers out of school.
And even the experienced engineers we hire from overseas must know
PRIOR to joining us.

Consequently, my entire staff is capable of doing a complete project,

It produces a much better product in the end and your young engineers
much more about how things are built (after they've drawn some details,

Its the only way to fly!

Good Luck,

David L. Fisher, SE,PE
Senior Principal
Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers
372 West Ontario
Chicago, Illinois 60610


-----Original Message-----
From: Khosrownia, Ghassem SPK [mailto:GKhosrownia(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:36 PM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: construction Drawings

My suggestion is to learn to do it yourself. Drafting is an integral
part of
engineering, and sometimes it is the most fun part of the design.
how to use CADD, especially, an engineer has many opportunities to try
various layouts before committing the one most suitable.

There will always be a conflict between drafters and engineers,
those structural-engineer-wished-to-be drafters....I have seen many of
in my career.


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Duarte [mailto:fduarte(--nospam--at)LEASUNG.COM]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:08 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: construction Drawings

How do you feel about the Drafting Techniques displace by the CAD
in your office?
How do you feel about the final drafted plans or the number of times you
up red-marking drafting mistakes?
As for myself, My department have room for improvement. Most
What is the best way to try make the
drafters understand the importance of good drafting techniques or learn
trade?  I always appreciated a senior drafter, now more than ever.

Thank for your comments.

F.Duarte, EIT