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Frank (and others),

It would really help us narrow down our search (and answers) if you could 
give an idea of the approximate date that the building was constructed.  For 
example, I found one 27WF91 that was rolled in 1902, and another that was 
rolled in 1933.  Design strength would probably be more affected by the 
difference in the two dates than section properties, though.

As far as determining beam size of steel sections of composite beams, make 
sure that they really have been designed as composite beams.  Encasing beams 
in concrete was one very common method of providing fire resistance.  You 
might have some small holes cut in the floor to see if there are channels or 
a spiral rod or other device welded to the top flange.  If you don't have 
channels or a spiral rod welded to the top flange, then you can bet that the 
concrete was for fire resistance.  If you do have these welded to the top 
flange, then remove concrete from a section of the beam sufficient to get 

A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
Tucson, Arizona

Frank Tehrani wrote:

>>Hi everybody,
1- I have call out for three steel sections in an old
structural plan which I couldn't find in my
i- 10WF37
ii- 12WF25
iii- 27WF91
I appreciate if somebody would help me please to get
properties of these sections.
2- On the same set of plans, some steel sections for
composite beams are not specified (actually that part
of plans is missed). Is there any non-destructive &
non-expensive procedure to figure out steel dimensions
inside the concrete?
3- What about Fy? How can we validate yield stress of
those sections?<<